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JimJupiter
·I have these Enicar papers from 1960 in my archive. Wouldn't look different today from the handwriting I guess.
Speedmaster 2998-1?
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Lahtisenmake
·Yes my fiancée scolded me for my poor choice of words I used “for getting rid of watch”. As non native English person I worded estates intentions too straight “the Finnish way”.
What comes to speculation of markings or even the watch being real there is really no reason for them being fake. I understand speculation since such a rare unicorn emerges from nowhere.
Estate is still deciding what to do with watch but they are not going to restore, clean or do anything to it other than eventually auction or sell it.
What comes to speculation of markings or even the watch being real there is really no reason for them being fake. I understand speculation since such a rare unicorn emerges from nowhere.
Estate is still deciding what to do with watch but they are not going to restore, clean or do anything to it other than eventually auction or sell it.
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SOG53
·What does 1960s handwriting look like?
I was using a biro in the 1960s, it wasn't a "state of the art" pen at the time.
While an interesting sleuth theory to question the papers, I think the BIC theory is debunked.
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Dan S
·One person speculated about the writing on the papers, but I don't think it's anything to take too seriously. Anyone can chime-in and make comments on the internet, no matter how silly.
I thought the OP was gone, but I guess he will show up every couple of weeks to pimp the watch until it's sold.
I thought the OP was gone, but I guess he will show up every couple of weeks to pimp the watch until it's sold.
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Lahtisenmake
·This is the best pic I was able to take in natural light with that slight chocolate tone. It is there for my eyes irl or maybe I’m just seeing things and imagining🤷♂️
This is not my watch and have no saying what happens to it. I have shown all direct messages to my fiancée and she has looked through this post and the estate decides what happens to this piece. Delays in posting things is not intentional milking but just because of normal life and it’s not around this watch😀 Every once a while I check here and if necessary will post news or react to new conversations.
This is not my watch and have no saying what happens to it. I have shown all direct messages to my fiancée and she has looked through this post and the estate decides what happens to this piece. Delays in posting things is not intentional milking but just because of normal life and it’s not around this watch😀 Every once a while I check here and if necessary will post news or react to new conversations.
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ZWD
·It is a stunning watch.
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blufinz52
··Hears dead people, not watch rotors.I used the BIC pen in early 60 they were very popular I think they were introduced in early 50s.
While an interesting sleuth theory to question the papers, I think the BIC theory is debunked.
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stonestone
·Stunning. In very good condition, from the looks of it.
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hansaboy
·Stunning. In very good condition, from the looks of it.
The bic cristal ballpoint apparently became pretty popular in the 60s. I wasn't around then, but I remember my Grandad using them religiously and there were hundreds of them in Old boxes in his home after he passed away. They were tucked in with paperwork going back to the '60s and 70s.
Looks brand new!
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PepeMUC
·Hi, just in case it might be of interest to you: the colour of the lume on the indices is very similar to my 2668-4 that was produced between autumn 1960 and summer 1961 - here you can take a look to compare: https://omegaforums.net/threads/omega-speedmaster-2998-4-value.143835/page-3#post-2086400. A pity that the original bracelet is missing but other than that: its a beauty (and I admittedly envy you for the box, I'd love to have...)
Just in case you should opt to sell it via an auction house, I would be grateful, if you could let us know where and when it would be sold to follow the auction. Thank you, Johannes
Just in case you should opt to sell it via an auction house, I would be grateful, if you could let us know where and when it would be sold to follow the auction. Thank you, Johannes
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PepeMUC
·I somehow lost my interest in Speedmasters when I sold my ed white in 2019/2020 so I’m not perfectly sure what the year would be. But this should be early 60ies right?
This writing does not look like 60ies handwriting. It also looks like a bic or somekind of rollerpen?
Don’t know when these pens where common but I think in the 60ies other handwriting was used as well as other pens.
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Seaborg
·Wow, this is the endgame watch!
The dream for every collector.
Just amazing !
The dream for every collector.
Just amazing !
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kfranzk
·Hi guys, I am very astonished, whats going up on this Speedmaster??
I am and was a a big watch collector and once I had a pair Seamaster Royal Navy and a Speedmaster like this of the 60s, I got them for 600DM = 300€ each and sold for 600. I miss te milSM but I never did rise such an interest in the Speedmaster.
A little patina, a different bezel or hands or bracelet and the community is upset.
An individual watch, that was really worn on the moon, I would understand, thats history.
I did watch the Phillips auction on that faked Speedmaster for about 3 million.. ??
Ok collectors are fools and every fool is different, so am I.
Konrad
I am and was a a big watch collector and once I had a pair Seamaster Royal Navy and a Speedmaster like this of the 60s, I got them for 600DM = 300€ each and sold for 600. I miss te milSM but I never did rise such an interest in the Speedmaster.
A little patina, a different bezel or hands or bracelet and the community is upset.
An individual watch, that was really worn on the moon, I would understand, thats history.
I did watch the Phillips auction on that faked Speedmaster for about 3 million.. ??
Ok collectors are fools and every fool is different, so am I.
Konrad
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Lahtisenmake
·Seems that watches owner didn’t throw anything away because estate found the original bracelet. It’s broken but it is now back with the watch. And it is engraved with initials. Don’t know if this affects the value.
And as far as I understood the estate is going to sell this watch directly so no auctions. But I don’t know when they are going to sell.
And as far as I understood the estate is going to sell this watch directly so no auctions. But I don’t know when they are going to sell.
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BlueBoy
·What a beautiful piece
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Screwbacks
·it's no doubt an auction piece, not suitable for direct selling. Collectors are going to be hell crazy to buy and bid for it. Do not sell direct to private offer. On auction sale, the heirs can make good history and public record on their grandpa's rare 2998. good luck.
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Larry S
··Color Commentator for the Hyperbole.I do hope your fiancé and her family are taking the advice here to heart and not dismissing it.
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Dan S
·I guess it will end up with a dealer.
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BlueBoy
·There are pros and cons of each sales option here... If you sell privately are you realising fair value for the estate, but you should be able to establish a reasonable price, as I am sure you have had multiple offers. If you sell at auction, there is the possibility of achieving a higher price, but you will have to pay fees, and who knows what external factors might effect buyers in todays uncertain political and economic environment. Whatever route you take best of luck for your Fiance and her Family
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Lahtisenmake
·Thank you very much for lots of interest for the watch. Watch was checked at Bukowskis and it is indeed a 2998-1. And watch will be auctioned in April 21st at Bukowskis Stockholm for what we were told.
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