Omega Speedmaster 2998-4 value

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I thought that baton hands, were also an option for sub registers, no?

Maybe my confusion came from the fact that Wally Shirra’s watch, which I thought was a 2998-4, had that configuration (See below)… and incidentally has the same configuration as my 2998-4.

I have learned with multiple brands that when you go back 60+ years, orthodoxy becomes fuzzy. Most of the reference materials on these watches is pretty recent, so…..
 
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I think for the majority of this forum, 20k is not small money. And I understand that you take depreciation into account when doing a 20k purchase. But there will always be a big part of uncertainty around the price, so you should be passionate enough about it to lose money with it. And if you want to play with the big ones and buy top of the market watches with little experience, you cannot expect others to do the work for you to give you assurance that you won't lose money.


Im not expecting from anybody to do the work for me. Im well aware that the risk is there, and im not trying to get some definitive answers.
Like i said my main question is about the authenticity of the watch. Thats the main reason i posted here. Not to try selling the watch to anybody here.


Regarding the sub dial hands, i have to do some more research, i was sure that they were original hence the info i gathered from the web but now im not shure if baton hands were a option in this reference from the factory anymore.

I dont mind the crown since it is a common thing that service people would change. I only wonder why they did that, is the original crown prone to break or what?

Also, did the plexi come with stamped omega logo from factory or is it a replacment glass that get the stamped logo in the middle ?
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Did anybody talk about the "flashy orange" colour of the index and the "exactly" matching colour of the hands?
I see many original tritium speedies with a different aging of index and hands, so this could be a little bit suspicious for me. But I never crossed 2998 in my life, and have no experience in this ref, so, my fear is maybe unjustified.
To 2998 lucky owners: orange like a fruit is a usual colour?

Should be radium with this reference so orange is ok.
 
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Im not expecting from anybody to do the work for me. Im well aware that the risk is there, and im not trying to get some definitive answers.
Like i said my main question is about the authenticity of the watch. Thats the main reason i posted here. Not to try selling the watch to anybody here.


Regarding the sub dial hands, i have to do some more research, i was sure that they were original hence the info i gathered from the web but now im not shure if baton hands were a option in this reference from the factory anymore.

I dont mind the crown since it is a common thing that service people would change. I only wonder why they did that, is the original crown prone to break or what?

Also, did the plexi come with stamped omega logo from factory or is it a replacment glass that get the stamped logo in the middle ?

The baton hands are not correct for the sun dials on this ref.
Crown is (and I presume was) routinely replaced at service as they were not designed to allow the seals to be replaced individually, hence the entire crown was replaced.
Both original and service glass would have the Omega logo in the middle. There are different types of logo which can help age the crystal.
 
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@nmiladin Being nervous about buying a vintage watch is understandable. Forgetting the cost and future, how do you feel about it? When you look at it, do you like it? Would you feel sad if you didn't get it? Would you want to wear it and keep it even if you could buy a similar one for 5k less?

Finding a watch, any watch, from a best friend's mother is very special. Knowing the heritage is part of the appeal of collecting. If you were to buy it and sell it in a few years, how would your friend feel about that?

You can wear this with the subdial hands as is and get a huge amount of joy from it. Over time, you could search for the vintage hands. That could be part of the fun.

But if you don't really like it and it is too much of a stretch financially (it's still a chunk of change), maybe you shouldn't buy it. You should really like it first. There are lots of great watches, but if you are thinking you should get it instead of that you really love it, maybe its best to just help your friend sell it elsewhere.

Hope this helps.
 
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I really like it and would be happy to own it! Even I miss these leaf hands on subs. I would definitely look for it after purchese. Anyway, would be happy to talk to the seller. 😀
 
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Oh my... very entertaining to read this thread, thanks a lot for your wisdom, but particularly also for your humor and for reminding us about what this forum is about (and what not) - it's 4 years now that I am following countless threads on here and I am very grateful for the many lessons taught.

Please forgive me my lack of modesty, but I feel I need to share a little secret with you, having discovered this thread only today by pure coincidence (2998 research), and going through quite a surprise, when taking a closer look at the pics... thing is that I happen to be the very happy, still stupidly grinning new owner of this watch... 😀

I started collecting about 10 years ago, after inheriting an Omega 33.3 chrono and a Speedmaster of my birth year 1968. It was instant love and in spite of enjoying reading about all kind of models also from other brands, my core passion is still very limited to early Omega 33.3 chronos AND Speedmasters (60s only), with my wife's generous present MOONWATCH ONLY becoming my watch bible for the past 7 years...

I have always dreamt of a 2998, but never really expected to find a nice one that I could afford. Then I discovered exactly THIS one here by pure coincidence in the catalogue of a small German auction house and I instantly was fascinated by the stunning overall condition even incl. the original bracelet with correct end links. The price was not exaggerated (18k), but still too much for me and I still was suspicious in the sense of "too good to be true" and needed some in detail research. As I could not find any inconsistencies though I kept watching it...
Then it did not sell!

After a few days, in a moment out of my mind (and after speed-selling my grandmother and other valuables...), I sent them an underbid incl. a long (and admittedly a bit creative...) list, as to why the requested price was too high and why my offer was still fair... an offer that some might have considered bold, so I was not expecting them to accept it... but they did! 😀

A very happy man now and not considering selling it, i.e. at least as long as the needs of my 4 children don't require it...
Anyone able to offer me advice on how I can explain to my family that there will be no holidays next year...? 😀
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Wow! That makes for a nice story. Would love to see how it looks in real life, especially those nice orange markers. Congrats on the purchase and wear it in good health!
 
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Good ending and worth the three pages 😀 Nice watch (although speed-selling your grandmother is tough 😀 and now I wonder about the OP’s friend “a small German auction house”
 
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Good ending and worth the three pages 😀 Nice watch (although speed-selling your grandmother is tough 😀 and now I wonder about the OP’s friend “a small German auction house”
Most of the speed-selling grandmothers I have known tend not to be able to hang onto cash for very long, but that might just be the kind of crowd I was running with.
 
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I will look everywhere, of course, but just in case that any of you should have better eyes coming across a narrow flat feet crown with 24 teeth (or maybe even the leaf hands for the sub dials or even the rectangular Sea Horse box), I would be enormously grateful for any hint. Thanks loads, Johannes
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Still interested in how much you got selling for your grandma ... did you take the first offer?

great watch!
 
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I have seen many -4's with both leaf and straight subdial hands that I accept both, and look to the rest of the watch to make a judgement call on the originality.

What I can say is that all -3's have leaf and all -5's have batton.

The most interesting thing on this watch is that the case back has the larger bevel, that we only see on -4's and up until recently made me dismiss them as polished.

Always time to learn!

Its a great watch. It's a terrible investment, all are.

Buy for fun, if you can't afford it without thinking it's an investment, then don't do it.
 
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I have seen many -4's with both leaf and straight subdial hands that I accept both, and look to the rest of the watch to make a judgement call on the originality.

I'm also of the opinion that both leaf and baton subdial hands are acceptable for 2998-4s having observed many examples of this sub-reference. I recall not long ago on the OF that there were discussions about this very subject and the consensus seemed to be as such.
 
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woah what a turn of events! talking about a plot twist at the end! lol so what was the final price? I would love to own a similar watch one day but realistically speaking how can you really wear it without fears of damaging it? I have a 145022-69 that I adore and its in perfect condition and I think I'm so afraid of getting it chipped or something that I don't give it the sunlight that deserves. Its not like you can park it away from the crowds like a nice car! (and I don't have a nice car) I guess just PTSD of growing up poor with few nice things 😜
 
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I have seen many -4's with both leaf and straight subdial hands that I accept both, and look to the rest of the watch to make a judgement call on the originality.
What I can say is that all -3's have leaf and all -5's have baton.
The most interesting thing on this watch is that the case back has the larger bevel, that we only see on -4's and up until recently made me dismiss them as polished.
Always time to learn!
Its a great watch. It's a terrible investment, all are.
Buy for fun, if you can't afford it without thinking it's an investment, then don't do it.

Yes, I agree, same say all the usual suspects in the literature - both hands original on the -4.
According to the EoA my 2998 was delivered in Sep 1961, which matches with the introduction of the baton hands in 1961.
I just would prefer the leaf ones from a purely esthetically point of view, but then: if the batons came with the original hands I'd rather not mess with it and learn to value them as they deserve.
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