Speedmaster 145.022 69 ST with Red Center Chronograph Hand - information sought

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Ohhh, the Mystery..... I can sell you a few vintage hands in yellow, green .... light blue perhaps? More to talk about. It's nothing special. Not a special model. If you believe, it is, invest CHF 130 and get an EoA from the factory. Just wear and enjoy.
 
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Personally - I would keep the red hand!

It goes with the history of the watch - don't you think?😀
 
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Wellcome, and what I nice watch you have there!
And its nice that you will keep it, and let it stay in the family.
Since you have paperwork, and a connection with the former owner - doesn't he/she know anything about the red hand?
Your timing is perfect as I heard back from the original owner yesterday. He told me that he bought it new and it came with that hand from the jewelry store where it was purchased.

So now the question shifts to omega for some sort of explanation. The guys at the local omega boutique were intrigued and ordered an archive extract and depending upon what that reveals, might query their museum in Switzerland. Very interesting.
 
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Original owners often have faulty memories in my experience. But an Extract of the Archives is a good idea if you want to do more research.
 
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Original owners often have faulty memories in my experience. But an Extract of the Archives is a good idea if you want to do more research.

Im sure the folks at Omega will sort it out.
 
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As others have said, that red seconds hand did not come from Omega that way. While Omega has used differently colored seconds hands on various Speedmaster models over the years, they were either lumeless (like the orange hand on the Ultraman watches from late 60s), or had lume like on a normal hand that had been painted red. They also tended to have colored sub seconds hands to match. Closest example of your hand that really came from Omega is on the Alaska Project prototype, but that definitely had normal lume. And your watch is NOT an Alaska Project prototype, just a standard Speedy Pro with a painted hand.

Now, was it originally on the watch when the person you got it from bought it? Who knows. Jewelry stores used to change things on watches all the time back in the day -- swapping out Rolex dials with cheaper bejeweled aftermarket ones was pretty common. I wouldn't put it past a shop to have painted the hand as a special order for a customer (maybe he saw one on another watch and liked it), then decided not to buy it. So the shop just sold it.

I doubt any injury from Omega will return anything other than for a standard Speedmaster Pro.
 
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As others have said, that red seconds hand did not come from Omega that way. While Omega has used differently colored seconds hands on various Speedmaster models over the years, they were either lumeless (like the orange hand on the Ultraman watches from late 60s), or had lume like on a normal hand that had been painted red. They also tended to have colored sub seconds hands to match. Closest example of your hand that really came from Omega is on the Alaska Project prototype, but that definitely had normal lume. And your watch is NOT an Alaska Project prototype, just a standard Speedy Pro with a painted hand.

Now, was it originally on the watch when the person you got it from bought it? Who knows. Jewelry stores used to change things on watches all the time back in the day -- swapping out Rolex dials with cheaper bejeweled aftermarket ones was pretty common. I wouldn't put it past a shop to have painted the hand as a special order for a customer (maybe he saw one on another watch and liked it), then decided not to buy it. So the shop just sold it.

I doubt any injury from Omega will return anything other than for a standard Speedmaster Pro.

You may end up being correct. My interest still lies in some members of other watch fora mentioning they have seen a precious few over the years just like this, supposedly for the factory. Also, the salesman and the technician at the boutique, the latter who is purported to be a Speedmaster authority, were interested and excited enough about the possibility that stye are doing all of this research gratis. I am especially intrigued because the technician, after having the watch in hadn't and under magnification, did not simply dismiss it, and could have for a variety of reasons, but wants to dig deeper.

I think I mentioned earlier that because of this being an important legacy piece for me, it is staying with me and in my family, so I am simply curious as to this aspect of its history. Could have been someone who serviced it previously decided they liked a red hand better, or damaged an original white hand and only had a red one, who knows?! And that is the interesting part for me as its current custodian, solving the mystery as best as possible.

Since I was a boy, I have been fan of the Oak Island Money Pit mystery. I watch the current show with rapt attention. There had been so much stuff surrounding that excavation, so many interesting things found on the island that raise questions to be answered, that the idea of any treasure has taken a back seat and I find interest mainly in the overall story. That we might never no because there are so many pieces to the puzzle.

This mystery only has one, and there are lots of thoughts and valued/informed (and appreciated by me) opinions on it. I will keep investigating until all avenues have been exhausted, but we are not there yet!
 
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Hi Chris,

I might be beating a dead horse at this point but...

It is clear from the picture you provided all the sub dial hands, and the red hand have been painted over whilst attached to the watch - they have painted over the pivots. This is a classic sign of an enthusiastic model paint amateur bodge job and not factory work.

The luminous material on the red hand being painted over is even more of a red flag (see what I did there).

You are welcome to dream of course, but it isn't really some great mystery, just a repaint 😵‍💫


 
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technician at the boutique, the latter who is purported to be a Speedmaster authority
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There's more Speedmaster authority here on this forum than you'll ever find at a Boutique or AD.
 
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Ohhh, the Mystery..... I can sell you a few vintage hands in yellow, green .... light blue perhaps? More to talk about. It's nothing special. Not a special model. If you believe, it is, invest CHF 130 and get an EoA from the factory. Just wear and enjoy.

They kind folks at the boutique decided to do that for me gratis because of their intrigue at what they saw in inspecting the watch. Lots of opinions here, which I never expected to find on an internet forum LOL. I will continue to investigate but will ultimate come do to where I am now in the broader spectrum, as @watchyouwant said, "wear it an enjoy!" I certainly will.
 
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There's more Speedmaster authority here on this forum than you'll ever find at a Boutique or AD.
Depends on who is visiting the boutique from OF that day, maybe you'l get lucky. lol

....and OP, keep that good attitude going! Yes, most likely painted but have fun along the journey to discovery, as you seem to be doing. Keep it, enjoy it, regardless of the hand it is a nice watch for sure. That part isnt being debated very much.
 
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My interest still lies in some members of other watch fora mentioning they have seen a precious few over the years just like this, supposedly for the factory.

If you can post a link to this thread on another forum, that would be helpful. Even more helpful would be if those experts have links to auction listings (or photos) of those other examples. The level of Speedmaster expertise here is pretty much unparalleled, and I don't think we've ever seen a hand like that. So there would be a lot of interest in the documentation you are describing.

I think I mentioned earlier that because of this being an important legacy piece for me, it is staying with me and in my family, so I am simply curious as to this aspect of its history. Could have been someone who serviced it previously decided they liked a red hand better, or damaged an original white hand and only had a red one, who knows?! And that is the interesting part for me as its current custodian, solving the mystery as best as possible.

Even if you were interested in selling, fortunatelyhe red hand doesn't From the shape, I have no doubt that it is definitely a legit Speedmaster hand that is period correct, and the watch has a lot going for it otherwise.
 
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If you can post a link to this thread on another forum, that would be helpful. Even more helpful would be if those experts have links to auction listings (or photos) of those other examples. The level of Speedmaster expertise here is pretty much unparalleled, and I don't think we've ever seen a hand like that. So there would be a lot of interest in the documentation you are describing.

Here is one of the links to my recent threads. This has been a deep rabbit hope for sure and Ill post anything else that I find that seems authoritative. https://www.watchuseek.com/threads/...edmaster-is-it-original.5461139/post-56028648

I'll also post information as I get it back from Omega.
 
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My interest still lies in some members of other watch fora mentioning they have seen a precious few over the years just like this, supposedly for the factory.

Can you quote an example of this red over painted hand being seen before? Are you sure you aren't perhaps confusing this with the Ultraman Orange hand? It looks awfully like a regular hand that has been rather clumsily overpainted. Not factory looking at all.

Calling @Spacefruit (the boss of Speedmaster matters, or at least on the high command) have you seen anything like this?
 
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Can you quote an example of this red over painted hand being seen before? Are you sure you aren't perhaps confusing this with the Ultraman Orange hand? It looks awfully like a regular hand that has been rather clumsily overpainted. Not factory looking at all.

Calling @Spacefruit (the boss of Speedmaster matters, or at least on the high command) have you seen anything like this?

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I don't think they're looking very closely.

I helped. 😁
 
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Can you quote an example of this red over painted hand being seen before? Are you sure you aren't perhaps confusing this with the Ultraman Orange hand? It looks awfully like a regular hand that has been rather clumsily overpainted. Not factory looking at all.

Calling @Spacefruit (the boss of Speedmaster matters, or at least on the high command) have you seen anything like this?

Thank you for invoking "the name", hopefully he chimes in. In what I have read, the folks who have seen this before, though rarely, confirms that what they have seen is not the ultra man wedge-shaped hand, but the regular hand, like this one, painted over where the lume would be, which is admittedly a bit odd, but also it has been seen before.

I'm fairly certain that the Omega technician, who is a Speedmaster authority for repairs, would have detected right away that this was an overpaint by a watch repairer or hobbyist and not a factory applied pain job. As I mentioned, I do not have the equipment or skill to show the hands in macro-level detail, which is unfortunate for discussing things in this format.

Again, I hear all of the suspicions that have been voiced here, but there are enough voices saying, "it might be form the factory" that the investigation continues.

It all might be for naught, but since Omega is footing the bill, I am willing to continue the ride for a bit, and dream along the way.

The bottom line is, and this from several folks here and elsewhere, is that it is an amazing watch regardless, a true heirloom for me, and will bee immensely enjoyed regardless of what it is.

Continued thanks for those chiming in!
 
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Here is one of the links to my recent threads. This has been a deep rabbit hope for sure and Ill post anything else that I find that seems authoritative. https://www.watchuseek.com/threads/...edmaster-is-it-original.5461139/post-56028648

I'll also post information as I get it back from Omega.
Note in that link, people are either confusing your watch with an Ultraman or saying that it shouldn't have overpainted lume so I dont think that really supports your suggestion it is anything special...
 
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I don’t think the red hand is original to the watch but I really don’t care, that dial is beautiful.
Same same!!!
 
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The mind sees things that it wants to see sometimes ... but from what I've seen in most macros, the hands and pivots look like this (picture from the 145.022-69 story from Fratello):
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But regardless, the quality of the rest of the piece is uncontested and the story is amazing. The full story would be even better!
 
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It is clear from the picture you provided all the sub dial hands, and the red hand have been painted over whilst attached to the watch - they have painted over the pivots. This is a classic sign of an enthusiastic model paint amateur bodge job and not factory work.

The luminous material on the red hand being painted over is even more of a red flag (see what I did there).


Looks like some white paint made it onto the dial as well ::facepalm1::