Speedmaster 125: why not more love?

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Because it is an excellent movement in a rather ugly case. I’d rather have a nicer looking bracelet/case with a pedestrian movement than that one. While I fully appreciate the place of the Speedmaster 125, I think the watch itself is ugly.
 
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@M'Bob I totally agree that the Speedy 125 seems to have huge potential of appreciating with time.

Another advantage of being less popular is that the odds of buying a 'fraken' watch are way smaller than other models (e.g. Seamaster chrono, moonwatch, etc).

Very true about the 'franken,' and not only that, no worry about fake parts. What a relief.
 
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I own one, but it is more about what it is than how it wears. I'd imagine it is similar to the Big Blue or Lobster Speedsonic in terms of how much market interest it can develop and sustain. Fantastic pieces that aren't particularly wearable. Then there is the whole lack of interest in automatic Speedmasters. The Grail Speedmaster hit a peak value in the low teens over a decade ago. In the mean time the flown manual winders currently sit the same peak values the Grails hit while the Grails have fallen into the $7-8K range. I don't see interest in the Grail building again anytime soon. All the air in the Speedmaster tent is being sucked up by the manual winders and with the upcoming 321 the fire is only going to burn brighter on the manual winders. Will Omega do anything that will juice interest in vintage auto Speedmaster? I wouldn't hold my breath....
 
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not the kind of watch I want to wear, although I like it...
 
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I love big watches. Plus that is a birthyear watch for me so that is nice. However, I just don't like the bracelet. Even though it is 1970's....it looks like tacky 1980's. I would still like to have one, I just have about 4 watches ahead of it.
 
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Lots of 125 discussion here lately. I like it!👍👍

Some quick thoughts:

Bracelet
One thing I admire about this watch is that everything about it was intentionally done by Omega to make it look and feel special. The movement, size, weight, high level of detail and finishing, and futuristic design all speak to this. The integrated bracelet was still a relatively new concept back then, and the bracelet is one of the things that sets it apart from the other items in the product family at the time. The 125 was part of the 176.xxx family, and the Speedmaster family, and when you hold one of the bracelets those watches came on in one hand and the 125 bracelet in the other, the 125 feels like a modern bracelet and the other bracelets feel kinda cheap. I have like 10 1162 bracelets with folded, rattley parts, and the 125 is heavier, with solid links and construction, and just feels up to modern finishing.

Why no more love
Because it is an excellent movement in a rather ugly case.
This is the answer. Ugly is a subjective term and I disagree 100%, but this watch (and a lot of large, daring designs from Omega in the 60s and 70s) has as many or more detractors as fans. I happen to love the fact that you can look at certain watches and knowing almost nothing about it say "I'm 100% certain that watch is from the 19__s". The 1040 family as a whole had such a short shelf life that you can pin it down to about 5 years just from looking at the back of dial (no other dial had the 1040/1041 layout, not even the Lemania 1340/1341). But others see them and think these designs are best left in the past and there were good reasons the design was abandoned. Maybe people will one day have a fuller appreciation of the 125, but I don't think it will ever have the broad appeal (and demand) of watches with less daring designs.

Size
This watch is actually smaller than most of its contemporaries in the 1040 family in almost every measure. It's heavier on the bracelet than the other 1040s but balanced (less top-heavy) because the bracelet accounts for a lot of the weight. It is still less heavy, shorter, and less diameter than a modern steel Planet Ocean. However, I agree its design makes it look and feel bigger, and there's no way to photograph it in a way that doesn't make it look huge.
 
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I collected 1970's Omega's for quite a while and still have a number of the larger colourful chronograph models in my collection. I picked up a 125 during this period and kept hold of it for not too long a time. I must say on the wrist I found it ungainly and over-weight and whilst being a child of its time I don't think it has really aged very well.

Many of the other 70's models such as the Flightmaster, Yachting and even the Ploprof still look contemporary in their design today, but IMO that can't be said of the 125 which lacks elegance with it's blocky case shape and misses character due to its monotone colour scheme. It wasn't an easy sell either and I ended up just about getting my money back on Ebay (about €1500 at the time)

I certainly wouldn't consider dropping €3K+ on one and reckon anyone with a bit of patience should be able be bag a nice one for €2-2.5K, as there are normally quite a few for sale at any one time and I'd wager that there aren't that many buyers queuing up for them 😁

One thing I did like about it was that I found it to photograph pretty well, be that in an industrial brutalist kind of way 😀
 
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Lots of 125 discussion here lately. I like it!👍👍

Some quick thoughts:

Bracelet
One thing I admire about this watch is that everything about it was intentionally done by Omega to make it look and feel special. The movement, size, weight, high level of detail and finishing, and futuristic design all speak to this. The integrated bracelet was still a relatively new concept back then, and the bracelet is one of the things that sets it apart from the other items in the product family at the time. The 125 was part of the 176.xxx family, and the Speedmaster family, and when you hold one of the bracelets those watches came on in one hand and the 125 bracelet in the other, the 125 feels like a modern bracelet and the other bracelets feel kinda cheap. I have like 10 1162 bracelets with folded, rattley parts, and the 125 is heavier, with solid links and construction, and just feels up to modern finishing.

Why no more love

This is the answer. Ugly is a subjective term and I disagree 100%, but this watch (and a lot of large, daring designs from Omega in the 60s and 70s) has as many or more detractors as fans. I happen to love the fact that you can look at certain watches and knowing almost nothing about it say "I'm 100% certain that watch is from the 19__s". The 1040 family as a whole had such a short shelf life that you can pin it down to about 5 years just from looking at the back of dial (no other dial had the 1040/1041 layout, not even the Lemania 1340/1341). But others see them and think these designs are best left in the past and there were good reasons the design was abandoned. Maybe people will one day have a fuller appreciation of the 125, but I don't think it will ever have the broad appeal (and demand) of watches with less daring designs.

Size
This watch is actually smaller than most of its contemporaries in the 1040 family in almost every measure. It's heavier on the bracelet than the other 1040s but balanced (less top-heavy) because the bracelet accounts for a lot of the weight. It is still less heavy, shorter, and less diameter than a modern steel Planet Ocean. However, I agree its design makes it look and feel bigger, and there's no way to photograph it in a way that doesn't make it look huge.

Andy,

Thanks for weighing in. Your spot-on assessment is appreciated.
 
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I love big watches. Plus that is a birthyear watch for me so that is nice. However, I just don't like the bracelet. Even though it is 1970's....it looks like tacky 1980's. I would still like to have one, I just have about 4 watches ahead of it.

This I find interesting, and surprising, but hey, that's what this thread is for. Regarding the bracelet: the contiguous design between watch head and bracelet would lead me to believe that most either like the whole, integrated package...or they don't. Thanks for your comments.
 
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Elegance is a subjective quality of course; I find the streamlined transition between watch head and bracelet quite graceful, despite its size. My wrist is a tad larger at 17.5 cm, and as @Andy K alludes to above, part of the deceiving wearing comfort comes from the fact that the bracelet is fairly heavy, which serves as an effective counterweight to the watch head, keeping it nicely centered on the wrist. With any fairly large watch head on a strap or flimsy bracelet, the watch head takes on a pendulur action, which makes it drift all over the wrist with activity, unless it's fairly snug.
 
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To me, this is a watch for a person with that has a presence: big stature...and large wrists(!) said the guy with the tiny wrists and the small Chronostop.

I wish I could pull this off because it is supercool.
 
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@Andy K the bracelet point is quite relevant.

As I mentioned on other thread (https://omegaforums.net/threads/the-hunt-for-vintage-watch-bracelets.90358/#post-1174949), I have a really hard time to adjust to the 70's bracelets.

Flimsy clasps, folded links, stretched/loose bracelets, painful sizing using pins, etc.

The Speedy 125 is probably one of the few 70's watches that I actually like the bracelet (not ideal, but is pretty good specially considering how old it is).
 
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Elegance is a subjective quality of course; I find the streamlined transition between watch head and bracelet quite graceful, despite its size. My wrist is a tad larger at 17.5 cm, and as @Andy K alludes to above, part of the deceiving wearing comfort comes from the fact that the bracelet is fairly heavy, which serves as an effective counterweight to the watch head, keeping it nicely centered on the wrist. With any fairly large watch head on a strap or flimsy bracelet, the watch head takes on a pendulur action, which makes it drift all over the wrist with activity, unless it's fairly snug.

Sure thing, elegance is subjective. I agree with you, heavy watch on a flimsy bracelet isn't that good.
I had a Speedmaster MK 4.5 on the light original bracelet (looking like a 1171) and luckily I like my watches very snug around my wrist otherwise it would have been boring to feel the watch turn all the time.

I liked that Speedy 4.5 despite the chunkyness, but it was still smaller than the 125.
 
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Before I started dealing watches I was looking for a birthyear Speedmaster with B&P. Took me too long so I bought a new one. After two weeks got bored with it since I prefer vintage. After this went to a dealer to buy myself a 125. At the table he also showed me a Flightmaster. I thought the Flightmaster is more collectible and wearable and i fell in love with some brown sub dials. I really love funky 70s Omega's. But toolwatches are a bit more special atmo. Also i did weigh in the argument that the 125 isn't that limited as @Andy K found out. Nevertheless, I will buy this watch the sooner or later. I really like the brutal looks and weight of the watch. It somehow reminds me of wearing an Audemars Piquet first series Royal Oak offshore. These kind of watches have a big presence on the wrist and make you smile cause you literally fel them! A different kind of experience with modern show off pieces which only can scream.
 
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These kind of watches have a big presence on the wrist and make you smile cause you literally fel them!

I defy anyone to argue this point...
 
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Well, I do like to buy early technologies, for a bit of fun, and Russian space watches too, and although I have a couple of watches running chronometer spec they are not certified, so obviously I need a chronometer; obviously I need a speedy - if I like space watches; and obviously it should be the first chronometer spec chrono; and finally it needs to be indisputably Russian (OK, let's stretch that point a bit) : therefore, I am on the lookout for a 'Dzhanibekov' Speedmaster 125 for my next watch .... How it wears and feels, not too concerned, most importantly I am sure I could bore someone for a good 19 minutes about my watch if I was wearing one of these! It will save me buying a kettle-bell from Argos too, to exercise my frozen shoulder. Win Win.
 
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Yep, a beautiful Speedmaster 125... listed in my MoonwatchUniverse notes (1982, 1984 and 1985), and an important 131-days space-flown Speedmaster on display in Omega-museum Bienne since 1991... mentioned in my "Time Peace" article 👍
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