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Speedmaster 105.012 Originality and Value?

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Hi everyone!

I just picked up this 105.012-65(?) from a jewellers, it has had a complete overhaul by Omega earlier this year so I understand from a collectors perspective the value is minimal. However as long as it retains some originality and not a franken, I’m interested in it from a daily wear perspective so the fresh movement service from Omega is a plus.

So I’ll start with the things I’ve noticed;

- Early tritium service dial and hands? No step, printed logo and no professional text.
- Correct pushers I believe
- Replacement modern crown
- Original bezel

The case back is a 105.012-65 however the serial number suggests this should be a 105.012-66? Are there any other points of reference to use to help pinpoint the reference?

Also would Omega have serviced the watch if it were a franken?

Thanks in advance for any help!

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Welcome. The pictures aren’t showing / try clicking the ‘add photos’ butting to upload them.
Sharing what you paid will also help.
 
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Welcome. The pictures aren’t showing / try clicking the ‘add photos’ butting to upload them.
Sharing what you paid will also help.

Sorry, my daughter jumped on me mid post and I managed to hit the post button before I had finished! I paid £5,000 for the watch head and bracelet with no box or papers, but a 2 year warranty on the movement if that adds any value.
 
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Obviously the dial makes it a franken, technically speaking. But it's a nice enough watch to wear, and you could always try to hunt down the correct dial and hand-set if you wanted to do that.

Where's the bracelet?
 
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Omega will service a watch with a replaced or even repainted dial.

Re the watch, I’d agree with your assessment. Original pushers and bezel but replaced dial and hands. From a collector/financial standpoint that’s a significant impact on value. Personally if I had £5k I’d much prefer to buy a complete and original later reference. A 69 or 71 or perhaps even a 67/69 with a bit of patience.

The serial number is a funny one. It’s right at the end of -65 production and earlier ( just) than the accepted start of -66 watches, so it may be a wrong caseback.

All in you then start to wonder what’s original and whether it’s been built from parts someone had lying around.
 
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Obviously the dial makes it a franken, technically speaking. But it's a nice enough watch to wear, and you could always try to hunt down the correct dial and hand-set if you wanted to do that.

Where's the bracelet?

Yeah I’m slightly disappointed it’s not an earlier step dial with the metal logo, but it’s better than a modern Luminova dial in my book. As long as it’s a franken from Omegas hands and not a random assortment of parts!

Here’s the bracelet, I haven’t had it on as I probably won’t wear it.

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Nice bracelet. Keep that safe - especially the end links.
 
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Omega will service a watch with a replaced or even repainted dial.

Re the watch, I’d agree with your assessment. Original pushers and bezel but replaced dial and hands. From a collector/financial standpoint that’s a significant impact on value. Personally if I had £5k I’d much prefer to buy a complete and original later reference. A 69 or 71 or perhaps even a 67/69 with a bit of patience.

The serial number is a funny one. It’s right at the end of -65 production and earlier ( just) than the accepted start of -66 watches, so it may be a wrong caseback.

All in you then start to wonder what’s original and whether it’s been built from parts someone had lying around.

That’s a bit disappointing. I was hoping the fact they serviced it would at least give me confidence the parts belong together or were at least changed during its lifetime and not cobbled together parts from a drawer, as that’s my only concern really. I did consider a slightly later one, but I got suckered in by the looks of the 321.


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Nice bracelet. Keep that safe - especially the end links.

Thanks, if I end up keeping it I’ll do just that as I wouldn’t want to risk the slightly fragile feeling links.
 
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I’ll try and dig out MWO later to double check the serial ranges.

It’s down to personal preference. I wouldn’t have bought it, but considering a 1039/516 bracelet is worth £1200+, it’s cheaper than a second hand modern Speedmaster and you get the 321.
 
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I’ll try and dig out MWO later to double check the serial ranges.

It’s down to personal preference. I wouldn’t have bought it, but considering a 1039/516 bracelet is worth £1200+, it’s cheaper than a second hand modern Speedmaster and you get the 321.

Thank you, it would be very useful to know.

Yes, certainly from a collectability point of view it’s a dud. But for me it’s more about something I can wear without the worry of affecting the value too heavily. That does make the price seem better then and I’d much rather this one than a modern one, so I can see which way this is going.
 
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Maybe I am just biased against anything that is so obviously not correct but if it were me and there was an opportunity to return the watch that is what I would do, and then spend a bit more (visit the SC to see recent sales) to get something that is correct.
 
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calalum calalum
Maybe I am just biased against anything that is so obviously not correct but if it were me and there was an opportunity to return the watch that is what I would do, and then spend a bit more (visit the SC to see recent sales) to get something that is correct.

I agree, that service dial and hands ruin the watch for me.
 
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Maybe I am just biased against anything that is so obviously not correct but if it were me and there was an opportunity to return the watch that is what I would do, and then spend a bit more (visit the SC to see recent sales) to get something that is correct.

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I agree, that service dial and hands ruin the watch for me.

Thank you for the advice everyone! It’s certainly all food for thought. I’ve got a good few weeks to mull it over anyway and in the mean time I’ll have at look at some other examples that are about and what they are fetching.
 
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Hi everyone!

I just picked up this 105.012-65(?) from a jewellers, it has had a complete overhaul by Omega earlier this year so I understand from a collectors perspective the value is minimal. However as long as it retains some originality and not a franken, I’m interested in it from a daily wear perspective so the fresh movement service from Omega is a plus.

So I’ll start with the things I’ve noticed;

- Early tritium service dial and hands? No step, printed logo and no professional text.
- Correct pushers I believe
- Replacement modern crown
- Original bezel

The case back is a 105.012-65 however the serial number suggests this should be a 105.012-66? Are there any other points of reference to use to help pinpoint the reference?

Also would Omega have serviced the watch if it were a franken?

Thanks in advance for any help!

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Dear Mr, case and back case seems to be ok,allso fat pushers is ok,bezel ok,bracelet ok,serrial number seems to be correct,dial take diferent angle maybe is steped or service one? colur of bridges is same this is ok ,crown ? hands is service one?plexi is ok.
best reg
bassem
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Dear Mr, case and back case seems to be ok,allso fat pushers is ok,bezel ok,bracelet ok,serrial number seems to be correct,dial take diferent angle maybe is steped or service one? colur of bridges is same this is ok ,crown ? hands is service one?plexi is ok.
best reg
bassem

Thank you for your run over of the parts Bassem. I will try and get a photo in better light of the dial, but it most certainly looks like a non step service dial to me. I would assume replaced at the same time as the hands as they both have equal patina.

I spoke to Omega today to see if I could at least confirm the watch was a 105.012-65. Interesting they weren’t able to give me any information on the serial number, so I contacted Switzerland to see if they would have better luck. This is the response I received this afternoon, I’m not sure what it means but it doesn’t seem like good news.


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Ok,
fat pusher on case is only 105.012 related 100%shure ,
find book Monwatch only and cheek serrial range/year for 105.012 or seach it on line omega serrial ,no worry wear Your watch and enjoy it fully ,wait until Omega return Extract in service.
best reg
bassem
 
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Thank you for the contacts Bassem, wecare.ch was also unable to pull up any information and suggested I would require an Extract which are currently unavailable but would return in a new format sometime in 2024.

Looking online the serial number could be in range for a 65, although it seems it would be right near the very end of production.

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Thank you for the contacts Bassem, wecare.ch was also unable to pull up any information and suggested I would require an Extract which are currently unavailable but would return in a new format sometime in 2024.

Looking online the serial number could be in range for a 65, although it seems it would be right near the very end of production.

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Unfortunate they weren't able to pull any information but big news on them stating the Extract from the Archives will be back in 2024. Many members have have been hoping they bring this back, so thank you for sharing!
 
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