Some help with a Constellation pie pan

Enchanted · May 11, 2020

Hello OF,

I came upon this Constellation pie pan ref 14393 9 SC from a friend's watchmaker. Unfortunately, I do not know much about connies and I'm in need of your expertise. To me, it all looks original which is good. The bad, I think its a bit too polished (even though we can still see the stars in the back). The other problem is that the seller cant really take good pictures of the watch (I have asked 3 times and he has sent them all exactly the same quality, light, angles, etc)

He is asking $1160 for it.
Thanks for your help, time, and guidance.

E.

Here the poorly photos:

Enchanted · May 11, 2020

Forgot to add. He will send me pics of the movement and caseback tomorrow 😀

hoipolloi · May 11, 2020

You should ask him if the watch has been redialed in the past?

Enchanted · May 12, 2020

hoipolloi
You should ask him if the watch has been redialed in the past?

I did. The answer was no.

E.

hoipolloi · May 12, 2020

Enchanted
I did. The answer was no.

E.

The 14393 with pie pan dial normally comes with a cross hair.
The minute marks are close to the edges of the pie pan like in photo attached.

You should get clear and in focus photos of the dial before making any decision.
Regards.

Enchanted · May 12, 2020

hoipolloi
The 14393 with pie pan dial normally comes with a cross hair.
The minute marks are close to the edges of the pie pan like in photo attached.

You should get clear and in focus photos of the dial before making any decision.
Regards.

I also thought that, but after doing some more research online I found some other pictures of ref 14393 9 SC with no cross hair. This one for example on the bay shows no cross hair and it's damaged which will indicate that the dial has not been messed with????? Would it be a possible variation of the dial? I'm not sure really. That is the main reason I posted it here to get some guidance.

Thanks for the input anyway. 👍

https://www.ebay.com/itm/272577458588

Enchanted · May 12, 2020

Some new pics sent to me showing 561 movement and the case back 14393 9

Lbreak · May 12, 2020

Not sure about the dial, but I would say the case back has had quite some polishing done. That, is an indication of someone trying to mask the history and honesty of the watch

Enchanted · May 13, 2020

Lbreak
Not sure about the dial, but I would say the case back has had quite some polishing done. That, is an indication of someone trying to mask the history and honesty of the watch

That or that it's coming from a culture where shiny things got more value than preserving the originality of it.

BenBagbag · May 13, 2020

Clear close up pics of the dial needed

Enchanted · May 13, 2020

Ok got some new pics. To be honest this is the best it's going to be 😵‍💫

gatorcpa · May 13, 2020

Not a bad looking watch! 👍

Price is fair in current market. Worth negotiating a bit if you can.

Otherwise, I like it.
gatorcpa

Adam2941 · May 13, 2020

I don't trust the dial. Looks refinished to me. Still better photos are needed, but it does not look right to me. The luminous on the dial seems to be missing, and the dial has no patina at all. Also, the white surfaces at the edges of the pie pan serration look slightly rough to me. Actually, to me the case does not look polished, but overall I just think there are nicer Connies out there with no question marks.

SkunkPrince · May 13, 2020

Adam2941
The luminous on the dial seems to be missing, and the dial has no patina at all.

I can see them and to assume that a dial must have patina is to reject thousands of watches well cared for over the years... or one that sat in a bank vault for decades.

Enchanted · May 13, 2020

To be honest, what got me really doubting is what @hoipolloi already mentioned. The minute marks are not close to the edges of the pie pan like you see in other examples.

SkunkPrince · May 13, 2020

Enchanted
To be honest, what got me really doubting is what @hoipolloi already mentioned. The minute marks are not close to the edges of the pie pan like you see in other examples.

To be honest, that concerned me as well but I thought I'd seen a couple of others over the years....

padders · May 13, 2020

SkunkPrince
I can see them and to assume that a dial must have patina is to reject thousands of watches well cared for over the years... or one that sat in a bank vault for decades.

Just a thought but watches in bank vaults develop patina too...

SkunkPrince · May 13, 2020

padders
Just a thought but watches in bank vaults develop patina too...

Depends on the vault, of course, but some do. 😀

Maskelyne · May 14, 2020

I am little confused, but I will not say at 100% that the watch is a redial. It looks genuine but lacking the crosshair as mentioned. Look at the minute markers on my watch (same ref 14393-9 SC, but gold capped) to the right. I can see that the font seems fatter and that the markers does so as well.
If I judge it by the "fatter" font and markers I think it has been redialed; and It´s a damn good one. I would not hesitate to buy the watch at a fair price and It´s a beautiful watch with a very fine dial. 😀

Consider that the picture to the left and it's resolution is poor and therefore the font and markers looks fatter and somewhat blurred.

Passover · May 14, 2020

I'm also sceptic about this one

The font looks off a bit but it's very difficult to find a definate proof. If it is redialed its a very good one!

I tried to zoom in concentrating on the font. Are there serifs?

Impossible to tell from this picture.

As pointed out before you will need a better picture to come to a conclusion

Too many question marks here so either you get better pictures or pass!

Good luck!

Some help with a Constellation pie pan

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