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Hi,

Please forgive me if I have this post in the wrong part of the forum, and re-direct me if this is the case. I'm not sure what constitutes as vintage.

The watch i'd like some advice on was my late father's retirement gift, and I think this was over 40 years ago. I've owned it for over 20 years, but have only started wearing it daily for around the last 6 or so. It's now stopped and needs attention.

I put an email enquiry in to a watch repairers who advertised that they dealt with Omega and got a 'service price' of £400, this came as a bit of a shock. I'm retired now myself, and that's quite a chunk of pension. In the past, I've considered that £400 was a lot to pay for a car repair, but weighed that against what the car is worth and how essential it is.

To take the car analogy further,
1. Is my £400 quote the equivalent of taking my vauxhall to a main dealer when my local garage I've used for years does the same job for a lot less?
2 And is the watch worth the expense? (sentimental value aside)

BTW. I used to know a watch maker, and do know that a real one completely disassembles the watch, cleans, rebuilds and lubricates. And that there are bad ones who will ultrasound complete watch and call it a service.


Thanks
 
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What’s the watch. Pictures please.

Couple of hundred ££s it will cost at least but £400 sounds a touch high. Unless it’s a chronograph??

If you had it 20 years and haven’t serviced it in that time it might need a good service.

We need what type of watch and a Picture tells a thousand words. 😉
 
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Ah. Sorry. I uploaded a pic, and assumed it would be visible somehow, is there something I have to do? Or perhaps I'm not allowed yet because I'm too new?

In the meantime...
the watch is a gold plated (I think) , Geneve (I understand now that that's the model, I always though it was where it was made ::facepalm1::) Automatic, with a calendar.

XdoAXw_jFVONZp9yWhIFbQKx1URSyuGwK1tcs2FAeTs2N567pazNpruMTwNLNlAzhXkfjbt01hhmSxR5lOwtkc4bsERL8mUpN4XLxighQKfsSi6xDWqXv99erF_zZtAS04LRJFqd7AlE3k_dENdObi-zRFduP4x2WJXs4i4UhtXiYqJfKf_sH5FikusWxnG6ikhR3rZ5T16pN3vAKv5TIa39-o-h6HLV8wW7s67pkMA73midmd6zUcSi3VO5Fl6w4OMAF8xpmKvN9Ca0pUH7-DwWIUJjweYT2aWH2x888oulx5Ge_YJEC82yZlCZYyDC35Ur5yho0skm9EyVFt8oOxdv8Z0cUHRdVLhlYpjS79JhOMpod3gdnFMM2GXWPkrvtocc9Kp_ikAsSnzxfH7QTNGQyKsocySsKuNIsUKPLdDcGS_GJGYBgFjGLi4Zpt0-7QESROWNA8UQA9wGNDPzWBU0pzrFO7e3nN0xU9s2DgxIxvwmsgQGYQJ5e_9A5Sn-9Mx2ADnYG3xYEmxu2IbGxn84HM9IO6M2osTb-csXf608JkOkKG_Te9zbjgaTcr9XPqDaDqUrkP7Fy5NNuko1nDBkuKokT4kr83g9vhOX-7YqvWvJ7hk5JH7bB6L5qjbAWrEJbtjxfmPdpIA-vG47fW6Ph4PL09HWoXAXphkEC2D7pEFbmnlrO8plX25l=w1136-h757-no

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Very nice watch.

There are quite a few threads on the forum that talk about servicing, which I'd recommend you look through.

I'd also do a bit of research on the forum to locate a trusted person for service that you can send the watch to. I assume that you're in the UK? If so, I recall that there are a few trusted people to send the watch to.

You wouldn't send your expensive vintage car to just any mechanic, so do some research before finding someone to service the watch.
 
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This is not an overly complicated watch, so a good independent watchmaker will be able to fix it for you. The price quoted seems high and may just be the standard charge for service at the Omega repair centre. The mechanic analogy is a good one, as I am a mechanic and all repair garages do not have the same quality standards or capabilities. I could help you if you were in Canada but depending on where you are located, use the search feature at the top right and search for good watch service in the UK. That should bring something up.
 
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I recently had a similar Geneve (Automatic, Date) serviced at an independent watchmaker and was charged ~95€ plus 20€ for polishing the plexi. He was recommended to me by two collectors, so I had reason to trust him and so far I’m happy.

I’m not saying that this is the correct amount to pay and there will certainly be differences to be found in the quality of the work, but to give you a rough idea.
 
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Your analogies are pretty accurate. Watchmakers will normally have a sliding scale of a base service price, which is lower for manual winding time-only watches, slightly more for automatic watches, still more for chronographs and watches with complications, etc. They might quote that base price, and then indicate that the actual price may be higher if they need to replace parts once they do a full inspection. When someone gives a fixed price, it is usually going to be high, since they are taking the risk of additional repairs on themselves, and building that cost into the fixed price quote. Therefore, to quote 400 GBP as a base price to service on that watch reflects a pretty high base price, at least in my opinion. It's the price of a high-end shop or jeweler, with high overhead, who might even outsource the service and add on a layer of profit for themselves. While prices obviously vary with location, I think that you might find someone who might quote a base price of 150-200 GBP, who would still be capable of doing a thorough job. Of course, the price could end up going higher if inspection indicated that the watch needed replacement parts, which would have to be purchased on the secondary parts market.

And yes, there are people who do a halfhearted job of cleaning and lubrication, sometimes pejoratively called a "dip and swish"; you want to avoid that, since it is only a temporary measure.

The question of whether the watch is "worth" the investment cannot be separated from the sentimental value. I don't know how else to answer that question. If you want to wear the watch, it must be serviced. The watch has quality. Those are points in favor of servicing it. I don't get the sense that you plan to sell it, but if you do, the you should not bother having it serviced, since you will not get the service cost back in an increased sales price.
 
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Thank you for the replies so far.

I understand the point about not sending an expensive vintage car to just any mechanic, and this is partly my original question, I don't know what I have here. To my untrained eye, it's *just* a watch, albeit one that has sentimental value.

If it's any help in replies, I'm in Derby, UK. The last time the watch was looked at was by the watch maker I referred to, (he was best man at my wedding) he fixed the automatic winding for my dad.
 
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Hi,

Please forgive me if I have this post in the wrong part of the forum, and re-direct me if this is the case. I'm not sure what constitutes as vintage.

The watch i'd like some advice on was my late father's retirement gift, and I think this was over 40 years ago. I've owned it for over 20 years, but have only started wearing it daily for around the last 6 or so. It's now stopped and needs attention.

I put an email enquiry in to a watch repairers who advertised that they dealt with Omega and got a 'service price' of £400, this came as a bit of a shock. I'm retired now myself, and that's quite a chunk of pension. In the past, I've considered that £400 was a lot to pay for a car repair, but weighed that against what the car is worth and how essential it is.

To take the car analogy further,
1. Is my £400 quote the equivalent of taking my vauxhall to a main dealer when my local garage I've used for years does the same job for a lot less?
2 And is the watch worth the expense? (sentimental value aside)

BTW. I used to know a watch maker, and do know that a real one completely disassembles the watch, cleans, rebuilds and lubricates. And that there are bad ones who will ultrasound complete watch and call it a service.

Thanks

This struck a bit of a chord with me - my dad's been gone a fair few years now, and it's funny how much a watch can come to mean. Welcome!
Taking your points in order...
There's lots of debate - play around with the search function when you have some free time - about "vintage". Is yours? Of course! But this wouldn't be the first thread to say, if this watch was your dad's, who cares about all that - just enjoy it.
Six years is definitely service interval time, and this little motor will do many more miles if you treat it to one. In that sense, you'll be getting a "new" watch for your £x, with added vintage cool and sentimental value for free. Not servicing might be an ultimately regrettable error.
No disrespect to Vauxhall (Holden, Chevy), but this is an Omega, so that analogy will never be the right one! 😉 But yes, a "main dealer" is going to carry some costs. Of late, Omega HQ have been leaning on their authorised service providers to charge what their rate sheet demands, and this can lead to some steep estimates. £400 is not unheard of, but it is definitely on the high side here. All over this forum, you will find folks saying that a good local watchmaker you can have a conversation with is usually better than a branded operation, so take your time browsing around - this is not an exotic watch, and all the better for it.
These days, there's no reason not to insist on photos of the strip down if you are worried about being ripped off.
I hope some of this helps!
 
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Of late, Omega HQ have been leaning on their authorised service providers to charge what their rate sheet demands, and this can lead to some steep estimates.

Can you please elaborate on what you are referring to here?

Cheers, Al
 
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Welcome @Capt Slog
£400 is outrageous for a basic service for an automatic but I remember being quoted figures like that by watchmakers I found on line who advertised working on vintage Omegas.
However, do expect to pay around half of that - if parts are needed they will be an additional charge.
I’ll add Christian and Mitka at the watchguy to the list I think both are members here but @Mitka is a bit more active plus another member @ChrisN, who also gets good reviews.

all I’ll say is that as your father’s watch it is priceless and deserves servicing and if treated carefully will likely see you out too.
 
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I put an email enquiry in to a watch repairers who advertised that they dealt with Omega and got a 'service price' of £400, this came as a bit of a shock

Often people will call a price like this outrageous, without any understanding of what is included in that price. Until there is a clear understanding of what a number like this may or may not include, it's not really possible to say that it's a good or bad price.

What did the service provider state was included in this price?
 
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Can you please elaborate on what you are referring to here?

Cheers, Al
Not a lot of elaboration I'm afraid - this is scuttlebutt from my watchmaker, who recently had a visitation. Maybe he was trying to justify his price to me... (it worked). I certainly don't disagree with the substantive point you just made though. ^
 
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Aw, nuts! - I'd been promising myself something really nice for #200 and now look! My anniversary post is me displaying my ignorance to OF's biggest expert. 😟
 
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Not a lot of elaboration I'm afraid - this is scuttlebutt from my watchmaker, who recently had a visitation.

Okay thanks that helps. Is he listed as an official Omega service center or is he an independent watchmaker who is authorized to obtain parts from Omega?

If he is the former and an official Omega service center (like STS for example), his prices will essentially be Omega's prices.

If he is the latter, there is no requirement to charge any set price. At least this is my experience in the many years I have been authorized by Omega. They have no idea what I charge...being independent means I can charge what I feel is appropriate.

BTW not trying to make an issue out of it, but I had just never heard of Omega pressuring independent watchmakers to charge a set price for anything. What they have done is make the parts so expensive that it becomes more difficult to set a price that is lower than what Omega charges, and still make enough to make a living at this.

Cheers, Al
 
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Is he listed as an official Omega service center or is he an independent watchmaker who is authorized to obtain parts from Omega?
Cheers, Al
Official service centre. But with quite a nice old-school feel. If the OP lived near me I'd recommend him for sure!
 
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I've found an official Omega page, and the scale of charges are on there...

https://www.omegawatches.com/en-gb/...s-and-prices/main-steps-of-a-complete-service

Wow! I take it that i'd be paying £450

The place i wrote to said a "full service plus complimentary polish", £400

It's nice to know that I'm thinking along roughly the same line as a lot of the answers. Does anyone know the waterproofing of this watch? Whilst I've never submerged it, I can't say I've never got it wet. And if it is gold rather than plate, would it say so on it?
 
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The place i wrote to said a "full service plus complimentary polish", £400

Whenever I see "polish" I justifiably or unjustifiably become squeamish. Just send the watch to one of the recommended true watchmakers on this forum. State that you'd like the water repaired, using Omega parts and that you want it kept "authentic" (or a better word). The wait time may be long, and you might not get a bargain; but the watch will be fixed properly and it will be one less headache for you.
 
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Hi !
I have a lot of vintage watches of different values .. I happen to have just bought the very same Omega Geneve recently. As always with a new acquisition, the watch went for a service to my watch smith (independent artisan). The cost of the service for such a watch must be 100 to 125.€ not more and by a very competent technician.
Here is that watch :
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Good luck for your search !