So... any of our members here have an interest in firearms?

Furioso · May 22, 2019

these are the best ammo prices have been in years...try bulk buys at Widener's, Natchez, etc. - lots of decent companies out there.

larryganz · May 22, 2019

Mtek
I don’t belong to any other forum, just wanted to say I’m glad this thread is here. I hope the knowledge and responsibility shared here is more prevalent elsewhere.

That being said, a bit of a rant from me. I’m used to buying range ammo for my 357. I’ve decided to make a revolver(s) my home firearm, the wife is using a Ladysmith too. Holy crap, over a dollar a round for good defense ammo! Craziness.

Try www.luckygunner.com for good prices on ammo, and some they have even done ballistics gel testing on.
https://www.luckygunner.com/labs/revolver-ballistics-test/#357mag

I bought many different reliable defense ammo for a better price than what you are showing us (except for their Gold Dot short barrel is $1.35/round). For example:

Your 110gr FTX in .38 spl as seen above is 81 cents a round:
https://www.luckygunner.com/38-special-p-110-ftx-hornady-250-rounds

This 125gr Blackhills .38 spl ammo runs 1050fps and close to 9mm ballistics at 73 cents/round:
https://www.luckygunner.com/38-special-p-125-grain-jhp-black-hills-ammunition-50-rounds#info

This Federal HST will out perform both of those from a 2" barrel for 95 cents a round (up to $1/round in boxes of 20)
https://www.luckygunner.com/38-special-p-130-gr-hst-jhp-personal-defense-micro-federal-200-rounds

I personally bought 357 Mag - 158 gr SJHP Remington HTP 50 Rounds for $26.75 @ 53.5 cents/round, and this had very good gel testing for expansion and 14" penetration.
https://www.luckygunner.com/357-mag-158-gr-sjhp-remington-htp-50-rounds

While Remington 125gr SJHP is 52 cents a round (this was law enforcement choice for a while, more explosive with less than 12" penetration in 2" barrels but 13" from 4" barrel)
https://www.luckygunner.com/remington-357-magnum-ammo-50-rounds-of-125-grain-sjhp-ammunition

Golden Saber in 357 Mag is supposed to have very good expansion and 18" penetration with much less recoil, for 53 cents/round
https://www.luckygunner.com/357-mag-125-gr-jhp-remington-golden-saber-50-rounds

This Hornady FTX that is similar to what you picked in 357 is only $22/box not $27 (88 cents a round) with good gel results in 2" and 4" barrels
https://www.luckygunner.com/357-mag-135-gr-jhp-ftx-critical-duty-hornady-critical-duty-25-rounds

Mtek · May 22, 2019

@larryganz You’re great man, thx for taking the time. Very appreciated. Ya know, googling anymore for prices just gets me a lot of promoted businesses.

I’ll start shopping on those links you provided.

Edit: that 158 grain is pretty hot for recoil, I’ve tried it in the past and going to stay away from it.

larryganz · May 22, 2019

Mtek
@larryganz You’re great man, thx for taking the time. Very appreciated. Ya know, googling anymore for prices just gets me a lot of promoted businesses.

I’ll start shopping on those links you provided.

Edit: that 158 grain is pretty hot for recoil, I’ve tried it in the past and going to stay away from it.

Lots of info to be found in general at their "Labs" site https://www.luckygunner.com/labs/ such as
https://www.luckygunner.com/labs/revolver-ballistics-test/#357mag

Personally, I only use the 158gr as "cheap" practice ammo, and carry the Barnes TAC-XP 125gr in my S&W 360PD Scandium alloy revolver. While recoil is stout it's manageable. I also have a few boxes of the Speer 135gr Gold Dot SB which is lower recoil and similar performance that I carry in my S&W 637 .38 (and have some for my 360PD .357 magnum as well).

Swissmister · May 22, 2019

Apparently, even seeing the name of this thread in the "latest" list is too painful for marturx. I see words, ideas, entire paragraphs every day that I would prefer to not see. Your request to remove this thread is simply not reasonable. I fully support your right to have a strong dislike for firearms, and I would fight for your right to have that opinion and express it, but your demand that this thread be silenced is inappropriate, and you should probably avoid reading and posting in it, for the betterment of yourself and others.

Mtek · May 22, 2019

There’s nothing keeping any member from creating their own watch forum with their own set of rules. This thread has survived for 7 yrs in this community, it’s been a non issue until recently.

Swissmister · May 22, 2019

He's just fortunate to be protesting in a thread where he isn't savaged by those with little or no tolerance for members with differing opinions. In fact, it speaks highly of the gun/watch contingent that they have been quite patient and understanding with Marturx. As Uncle Sam might say, "Your actions reflect credit upon yourselves, your units, and the United States ________." Something like that. It's been awhile.

larryganz · May 22, 2019

Swissmister
He's just fortunate to be protesting in a thread where he isn't savaged by those with little or no tolerance for members with differing opinions. In fact, it speaks highly of the gun/watch contingent that they have been quite patient and understanding with Marturx. As Uncle Sam might say, "Your actions reflect credit upon yourselves, your units, and the United States ________." Something like that. It's been awhile.

There's been 18 posts since his last, and we're still talking about him? So, moving on to some helpful advise.

1) Everyone be sure to not just clean your guns regularly, but inspect them for loose parts as well. The cylinder release fell off my S&W 360 PD snub nose revolver while loading it today. Apparently shooting full power loads has caused the screw to work loose over time. Fortunately even if the parts had not been found on the floor, the design allows you to slide the screw mounting post in order to open the cylinder, so it wouldn't render the firearm un-loadable.

2) Everyone be sure to test ALL of your magazines before you rely on them for self defense, so you aren't caught off guard by a failure to operate due to a bad magazine (failure to feed, failure to lock back). Saturday we went to break in my Sig P365 with another 250 rounds, to get past 500 rounds total, and made sure to try all 4 of my magazines - 2x ten rounds and 2x twelve rounds (4 mags total).

Previously I shot 275 rounds through both 10 round mags that came with it, without a failure, but I didn't have the 12 rounders yet to try out at the time. I carry a Kahr PM9 until I can trust the Sig for EDC. I wanted to see 500 rounds through it without a failure first. Three of the magazines functioned flawlessly, but the feed lip on one of the 12 rounders is slightly different near the slide stop vs the other 3 magazines, and it was often causing a round to nose-dive into the feed ramp and cause a FTF. Going back to any of the previous magazines fixed the issue - the 3 good mags have identical feed lips that are different from the bad one.

The gun club is going to lock tight the screw for me tomorrow, and also replace the magazine for me.

The Father · May 22, 2019

larryganz
There's been 18 posts since his last, and we're still talking about him? So, moving on to some helpful advise.

1) Everyone be sure to not just clean your guns regularly, but inspect them for loose parts as well. The cylinder release fell off my S&W 360 PD snub nose revolver while loading it today. Apparently shooting full power loads has caused the screw to work loose over time. Fortunately even if the parts had not been found on the floor, the design allows you to slide the screw mounting post in order to open the cylinder, so it wouldn't render the firearm un-loadable.

2) Everyone be sure to test ALL of your magazines before you rely on them for self defense, so you aren't caught off guard by a failure to operate due to a bad magazine (failure to feed, failure to lock back). Saturday we went to break in my Sig P365 with another 250 rounds, to get past 500 rounds total, and made sure to try all 4 of my magazines - 2x ten rounds and 2x twelve rounds (4 mags total).

Previously I shot 275 rounds through both 10 round mags that came with it, without a failure, but I didn't have the 12 rounders yet to try out at the time. I carry a Kahr PM9 until I can trust the Sig for EDC. I wanted to see 500 rounds through it without a failure first. Three of the magazines functioned flawlessly, but the feed lip on one of the 12 rounders is slightly different near the slide stop vs the other 3 magazines, and it was often causing a round to nose-dive into the feed ramp and cause a FTF. Going back to any of the previous magazines fixed the issue - the 3 good mags have identical feed lips that are different from the bad one.

The gun club is going to lock tight the screw for me tomorrow, and also replace the magazine for me.

I find your first directive very offensive. Clean my guns? He who may remain nameless may have a point. Clean my guns......damn, where are the moderators.

larryganz · May 22, 2019

The Father
I find your first directive very offensive. Clean my guns? He who may remain nameless may have a point. Clean my guns......damn, where are the moderators.

propervinyl · May 22, 2019

Omega-Q
However, I've never shot 6.8, and I know that the military is looking at 6.8 for the next generation rifle as its a happy medium between 5.56 & 7.62. Considering that aspect, my thought is in time, 6.8 would decrease in cost...

Military is considering the 6.5 creedmoor as a replacement/supplement to 7.62 in certain rifles like DMR's because of its accuracy at very long range. I think best case scenario, we are looking at 6.5 coming down in cost similar to 308, which isnt super cheap unless you are buying something like lake city.

I recently shot an Aeroprecision AR 10 in 6.5 at a 500 yard range and really enjoyed it.

dsio · May 22, 2019

marturx
This is a watch forum in case you haven´t noticed?

One of the key reasons this is allowed here is that Omega are a key sponsor of the Bond franchise and use firearms, including gun shaped hands, and bullet / barrel themed rotors and casebacks as part of their marketing, and also sponsor the Olympics which includes competitive shooting. We allow firearms discussion for the appreciation of the craft, engineering and workmanship as well as the competitive skill aspect, we don't allow gun politics on either side as it invariably turns into a mess.

Omegafanman · May 23, 2019

Interest yes….And I held a full firearms licence in the past... But I am afraid options are very limited in the UK nowadays :0)

mmrols · May 23, 2019

The Father
I find your first directive very offensive. Clean my guns? He who may remain nameless may have a point. Clean my guns......damn, where are the moderators.

I am offendes that you're offended. I've been triggered and now my week has been ruined.

mmrols · May 23, 2019

mmrols
I am offendes that you're offended. I've been triggered and now my week has been ruined.

🤬😉

marturx · May 23, 2019

larryganz
There was little to no conflict in this thread for years, until you came in debating the need for it.

Larry, that is unfair. I´m not seeking a conflict, I see a risk for it, and that is two different things.

Guns is controversial, you must realize that?

Why not start a sub forum for you that have guns as a legitimate hobby. Why do you need to be here among us watch enthusiasts? I don´t get it...

Furioso · May 23, 2019

The "why do you need..." position is only projected when one wants to prevent others from something. It is never applied broadly, and is thus a very poor position to take.

If the world worked on 'need' alone, Maslow's hierarchy would be all of mankind's guiding principle. We'd all be eating only the sustenance required to sustain human life. No choice of cars, as transportation 'needs' can be met FAR more efficiently, and with much less detrimental impact to the earth, its flora and fauna including man, if prescribed only by need. Few people need a watch, and far fewer need anything more than a reliable quartz model.

The world and this forum enjoy a far broader sense of choice, direction, and freedom, in many cases. If we begin to restrict based on individual perspectives and apply them broadly, we approach the idea of living in caves very simply. Food, water, shelter, are plenty when they're scarce, but if we endeavor for greater social progress and anything beyond rudimentary living, we are better off as individuals if we benefit from what we like and work around what we don't, while impacting others negatively as little as reasonable.

'Reasonable' on this forum seems to include this thread and posts and many others with varying degrees of focus on timepieces.

voere · May 23, 2019

Lately I have been toting this model 19 around. Stoked with the old fbi load 158 grn.+p semi wad cutters. Works well for my needs.

Professor · May 23, 2019

marturx
Larry, that is unfair. I´m not seeking a conflict, I see a risk for it, and that is two different things.

Guns is controversial, you must realize that?

Why not start a sub forum for you that have guns as a legitimate hobby. Why do you need to be here among us watch enthusiasts? I don´t get it...

You seem to be the only one particularly upset by this thread's existence.

I used to be very interested in firearms , not so much lately, and seldom post to this thread. I still enjoy reading the posts of other forum members who share that interest.
I was always more interested in the engineering challenges of various firearms designs and their evolution, just as I'm interested in the same factors in the evolution of time pieces of all sorts.

repoman · May 23, 2019

F Furioso
Is that a shotgun spting in the top of your case,?

Yes, the extended tube requires a really long spring, so I stuff it in the top foam ;-)