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noelekal
路路Home For Wayward WatchesI've long admired the M40 from a distance. Would be fun to play with one and field strip it for edification.
So... any of our members here have an interest in firearms?
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Omegafanman
路So I have been tasked to look at a target retrieval system.....This is for a 25 metre indoor 7 lane UK rifle club.
It is a community sports club so on a budget, they want to better support their older and disabled members, and reduce the need for people to go down the range. They are able to self-install equipment. Some of the systems I have found are super slick..... and super expensive. The Police and Army must have very, very deep pockets thanks to us tax payers. A turning target option would also be nice, but I suspect out of the budget range. Roof mounted Wire and rail systems look the best for cost. Anyone got a recomendation?
Thanks in advance.
It is a community sports club so on a budget, they want to better support their older and disabled members, and reduce the need for people to go down the range. They are able to self-install equipment. Some of the systems I have found are super slick..... and super expensive. The Police and Army must have very, very deep pockets thanks to us tax payers. A turning target option would also be nice, but I suspect out of the budget range. Roof mounted Wire and rail systems look the best for cost. Anyone got a recomendation?
Thanks in advance.
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Wryfox
路So I have been tasked to look at a target retrieval system.....This is for a 25 metre indoor 7 lane UK rifle club.
It is a community sports club so on a budget, they want to better support their older and disabled members, and reduce the need for people to go down the range. They are able to self-install equipment. Some of the systems I have found are super slick..... and super expensive. The Police and Army must have very, very deep pockets thanks to us tax payers. A turning target option would also be nice, but I suspect out of the budget range. Roof mounted Wire and rail systems look the best for cost. Anyone got a recomendation?
Thanks in advance.
You can literally make your own wire and rail system with hardware store supplies and your own labor.
There are kits available to set up on your own lumber(Gopher Targets) 500/lane.
If you want cheap cheap(150/Lane), Zip Targets runs on any common cordless drill and uses Paracord. They are on Amazon.
Super Target Systems is a common higher end system, probably 1000s/lane
These are free hanging target systems so close fire will wiggle and swing them.
25m is a long way to keep a target stable at intermediate distances so you'll need way point supports as well.
Also assume on day one someone will shoot the supports or hangers, so keep a healthy portion(I'd say half) of your budget for maintenance and repairs. Any system you install WILL get shot. I've never seen a shooting range without impact on walls, ceiling, and mechanisms.
I belong to a member owned club(outdoor) so we do our own work. I keep this sign in my garage as a reminder. It's posted on the leading edge of the ROOF 馃う
We tried a couple ways to do target retrieval many years ago but the maintenance was ridiculous so we gave up.
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Pastorbottle
路As in everything in life, it's a matter of cost.
You can literally make your own wire and rail system with hardware store supplies and your own labor.
There are kits available to set up on your own lumber(Gopher Targets) 500/lane.
If you want cheap cheap(150/Lane), Zip Targets runs on any common cordless drill and uses Paracord. They are on Amazon.
Super Target Systems is a common higher end system, probably 1000s/lane
These are free hanging target systems so close fire will wiggle and swing them.
25m is a long way to keep a target stable at intermediate distances so you'll need way point supports as well.
Also assume on day one someone will shoot the supports or hangers, so keep a healthy portion(I'd say half) of your budget for maintenance and repairs. Any system you install WILL get shot. I've never seen a shooting range without impact on walls, ceiling, and mechanisms.
I belong to a member owned club(outdoor) so we do our own work. I keep this sign in my garage as a reminder. It's posted on the leading edge of the ROOF 馃う
We tried a couple ways to do target retrieval many years ago but the maintenance was ridiculous so we gave up.
It wasn't a retrieval system, you had to leave your firearms open breached and unloaded behind the firing line and walk up to the targets.
Woe and betide anyone how fell foul of he range safety officer by not obeying the procedures!
We would shoot at 50 and 25 meters
It was an open air range (there was a indoor 10 meter range for air-pistols) and there was a long roof over the targets for weather protection at the extreme end of the range with a series of large thick timber beams across the range to prevent stray shots from escaping out, thick walls down each side and a large earthen bank behind the targets, so in theory if the safety rules were obeyed, no stray rounds could get out, but we had problems with complaints of stray rounds,
we couldn't figure out why, until we realised the the local coppers would use the range for practice and training, they would shoot at much shorter range (7meters) than we would and they were too lazy and stupid to push the targets closer, they'd ignore the safety rules and just cross the firing line and shoot from there. As a result there were rounds escaping the range only at the times that they used it. And the fact that there was always brass in the calibers that the cops used laying close to the targets.
We found out for ourselves when Dad and myself went in to do some maintenance and the cops turned up to use the range, once we saw them start that shit we left, for our own safety. Bunch of bloody cowboys!
Jeeze they must've been shit shots as there were bullet holes every where, well wide and high of the targets, even in the target covering roof which couldn't be hit if they shot from the behind the firing line!
If they couldn't even vaguely hit somewhere near the target at 7 meters the crooks wouldn't have much to worry about!
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Omegafanman
路As in everything in life, it's a matter of cost.
You can literally make your own wire and rail system with hardware store supplies and your own labor.
There are kits available to set up on your own lumber(Gopher Targets) 500/lane.
If you want cheap cheap(150/Lane), Zip Targets runs on any common cordless drill and uses Paracord. They are on Amazon.
Super Target Systems is a common higher end system, probably 1000s/lane
These are free hanging target systems so close fire will wiggle and swing them.
25m is a long way to keep a target stable at intermediate distances so you'll need way point supports as well.
Also assume on day one someone will shoot the supports or hangers, so keep a healthy portion(I'd say half) of your budget for maintenance and repairs. Any system you install WILL get shot. I've never seen a shooting range without impact on walls, ceiling, and mechanisms.
I belong to a member owned club(outdoor) so we do our own work. I keep this sign in my garage as a reminder. It's posted on the leading edge of the ROOF 馃う
We tried a couple ways to do target retrieval many years ago but the maintenance was ridiculous so we gave up.
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Pastorbottle
路Thanks for the reply which is very helpful. I will let you know how we get on. Probably after Xmas based on club speed (which is the total opposite of warp speed ;0)
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Pastorbottle
路I found this for sale on an auction site, a Nock's Volley gun.
The description makes me laugh!
I love absurd stuff like this
HENRY NOCK VOLLEY GUN, CIRCA 1779
The Nock Gun Was A Seven-Barrelled Flintlock Smoothbore Firearm Used By The Royal Navy During The Early Stages Of The Napoleonic Wars. It Is A Type Of Volley Gun Adapted For Ship-To-Ship Fighting, But Was Limited In Its Use Because Of The Powerful Recoil And Eventually Discontinued.
Provenance: Henry Nock Volley Gun Circa 1779, 1St Model Incredibly Rare This Is One Of The First 140 In The First Production Run. Used By The Royal Navy Warships In The Napoleonic Wars, Often Fired From The Masthead Would See All 7 Barrels Firing At Once, Often Breaking The Shoulder Of The Shooter And Setting Fire To The Sails And Rigging.
Its Called A H. Nocks Volley Gun And Made Mid Late 1700鈥橲 For The War Of France And Britain. The British Used Them To Fire At The French From The Top Of The Mast , Problem Was As All Seven Fire At Once The Recoil Would Break The Firers Shoulder And The Frames Would Often Set The Mast And Rigging On Fire
In The Initial First Run 49 Were Made And This Is One Of Them With Only A Handful That Have Survived.
I'm not surprised not many have survived. As it broke the shooters shoulder it was probably dropped onto some poor bastard below and the injured shooter was probably knocked out of the now burning rigging! I'm pretty sure the crews "accidentally" lost them overboard at the earliest opportunity.
The bidding was at AUS $7,500 with 25 minutes to go so I suspect it will be passed in.
Disclaimer: I have absolutely no connection with this sale and are only posting this as it is a interesting historical piece.
The description makes me laugh!
I love absurd stuff like this
HENRY NOCK VOLLEY GUN, CIRCA 1779
The Nock Gun Was A Seven-Barrelled Flintlock Smoothbore Firearm Used By The Royal Navy During The Early Stages Of The Napoleonic Wars. It Is A Type Of Volley Gun Adapted For Ship-To-Ship Fighting, But Was Limited In Its Use Because Of The Powerful Recoil And Eventually Discontinued.
Provenance: Henry Nock Volley Gun Circa 1779, 1St Model Incredibly Rare This Is One Of The First 140 In The First Production Run. Used By The Royal Navy Warships In The Napoleonic Wars, Often Fired From The Masthead Would See All 7 Barrels Firing At Once, Often Breaking The Shoulder Of The Shooter And Setting Fire To The Sails And Rigging.
Its Called A H. Nocks Volley Gun And Made Mid Late 1700鈥橲 For The War Of France And Britain. The British Used Them To Fire At The French From The Top Of The Mast , Problem Was As All Seven Fire At Once The Recoil Would Break The Firers Shoulder And The Frames Would Often Set The Mast And Rigging On Fire
In The Initial First Run 49 Were Made And This Is One Of Them With Only A Handful That Have Survived.
I'm not surprised not many have survived. As it broke the shooters shoulder it was probably dropped onto some poor bastard below and the injured shooter was probably knocked out of the now burning rigging! I'm pretty sure the crews "accidentally" lost them overboard at the earliest opportunity.
The bidding was at AUS $7,500 with 25 minutes to go so I suspect it will be passed in.
Disclaimer: I have absolutely no connection with this sale and are only posting this as it is a interesting historical piece.
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Spruce
路路Sunburst dial fanOne of these Nocks is regularly used by Sharpe鈥檚 Sergeant Harper in Bernard Cornwell鈥檚 novels about the Napoleonic wars.
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ghce
路One of them at the local museum, bonkers gun.
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noelekal
路路Home For Wayward WatchesThat looks brutal!
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Pastorbottle
路I dare say being the intended target is probably safer than anyone in the immediate vicinity of the thing!
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hen
路I found this for sale on an auction site, a Nock's Volley gun.
The description makes me laugh!
I love absurd stuff like this
HENRY NOCK VOLLEY GUN, CIRCA 1779
The Nock Gun Was A Seven-Barrelled Flintlock Smoothbore Firearm Used By The Royal Navy During The Early Stages Of The Napoleonic Wars. It Is A Type Of Volley Gun Adapted For Ship-To-Ship Fighting, But Was Limited In Its Use Because Of The Powerful Recoil And Eventually Discontinued.
Provenance: Henry Nock Volley Gun Circa 1779, 1St Model Incredibly Rare This Is One Of The First 140 In The First Production Run. Used By The Royal Navy Warships In The Napoleonic Wars, Often Fired From The Masthead Would See All 7 Barrels Firing At Once, Often Breaking The Shoulder Of The Shooter And Setting Fire To The Sails And Rigging.
Its Called A H. Nocks Volley Gun And Made Mid Late 1700鈥橲 For The War Of France And Britain. The British Used Them To Fire At The French From The Top Of The Mast , Problem Was As All Seven Fire At Once The Recoil Would Break The Firers Shoulder And The Frames Would Often Set The Mast And Rigging On Fire
In The Initial First Run 49 Were Made And This Is One Of Them With Only A Handful That Have Survived.
I'm not surprised not many have survived. As it broke the shooters shoulder it was probably dropped onto some poor bastard below and the injured shooter was probably knocked out out the now burning rigging! I'm pretty sure the crews "accidentally" lost them overboard at the earliest opportunity.
The bidding was at AUS $7,500 with 25 minutes to go so I suspect it will be passed in.
Disclaimer: I have absolutely no connection with this sale and are only posting this as it is a interesting historical piece.
Thanks for posting Pastor.
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Furioso
路Wow, yeah...that's something. A static Gatlin' gun of sorts.
When I first tried to check in in this thread, I was led to posts from 2012 with several about suppressors being restricted, etc. in the US...things have changed in many states that previously banned ownership/ possession/ use. Lots of companies manufacturing them now, paperwork processes faster, use widespread among enthusiasts.
When I first tried to check in in this thread, I was led to posts from 2012 with several about suppressors being restricted, etc. in the US...things have changed in many states that previously banned ownership/ possession/ use. Lots of companies manufacturing them now, paperwork processes faster, use widespread among enthusiasts.
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Waltesefalcon
路The Nock volley gun would have certainly been more effective as a swivel gun.
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Spruce
路路Sunburst dial fanHaving watched most of the episodes, he does fire it from the hip not the shoulder
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UncleBuck
路路understands the decision making hierarchyRambo could fire a full belt from an M-60 and Sgt. Saunders(Combat!) could empty a Thompson, both from the hip and take out a sniper that missed without batting an eye.
Now those were heroes!
Now those were heroes!
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Trev
路路The ArchitectI found this for sale on an auction site, a Nock's Volley gun.
The description makes me laugh!
I love absurd stuff like this
HENRY NOCK VOLLEY GUN, CIRCA 1779
The Nock Gun Was A Seven-Barrelled Flintlock Smoothbore Firearm Used By The Royal Navy During The Early Stages Of The Napoleonic Wars. It Is A Type Of Volley Gun Adapted For Ship-To-Ship Fighting, But Was Limited In Its Use Because Of The Powerful Recoil And Eventually Discontinued.
Provenance: Henry Nock Volley Gun Circa 1779, 1St Model Incredibly Rare This Is One Of The First 140 In The First Production Run. Used By The Royal Navy Warships In The Napoleonic Wars, Often Fired From The Masthead Would See All 7 Barrels Firing At Once, Often Breaking The Shoulder Of The Shooter And Setting Fire To The Sails And Rigging.
Its Called A H. Nocks Volley Gun And Made Mid Late 1700鈥橲 For The War Of France And Britain. The British Used Them To Fire At The French From The Top Of The Mast , Problem Was As All Seven Fire At Once The Recoil Would Break The Firers Shoulder And The Frames Would Often Set The Mast And Rigging On Fire
In The Initial First Run 49 Were Made And This Is One Of Them With Only A Handful That Have Survived.
I'm not surprised not many have survived. As it broke the shooters shoulder it was probably dropped onto some poor bastard below and the injured shooter was probably knocked out of the now burning rigging! I'm pretty sure the crews "accidentally" lost them overboard at the earliest opportunity.
The bidding was at AUS $7,500 with 25 minutes to go so I suspect it will be passed in.
Disclaimer: I have absolutely no connection with this sale and are only posting this as it is an interesting historical piece.
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Pastorbottle
路That鈥檚 wacky. Is it still Firearms A/B to buy one here or something special?
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hen
路This got me thinking of "Gunsmith of Wiliamsburg" Great film about the making of a colonial era rifle.
Sorry if This have been posted before.
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Harbormaster
路Both from 1970!
