So... any of our members here have an interest in firearms?

styggpyggeno1 · Oct 9, 2020

Professor
How is the grenade attack situation in Sweden these days?
Are the politicians still trying to sweep it under the rug?

The Father
Sounds like the Swede’s have a mob problem after reading up on the grenade/ bombings problems.

We certainly have more of a problem with organized crime than with our politicians...

Someone had a batch of ex-Yugoslavian hand grenades and thought it was good business selling them to (organized) angry young men in the suburbs.

Covering up -
"While Swedish media sometimes are accused of not covering the topic enough, a 2019 study by polling company Kantar Sifo found that law and order was the most covered news topic on Swedish TV and radio and on social media (Wikipedia)"

Professor · Oct 9, 2020

styggpyggeno1
Covering up -
"While Swedish media sometimes are accused of not covering the topic enough, a 2019 study by polling company Kantar Sifo found that law and order was the most covered news topic on Swedish TV and radio and on social media (Wikipedia)"

Over here and all over the net the media was actively trying to pretend there was no problem with bombings in Sweden. That was entirely political.
After the toll reached over 100 grenade attacks per year and police stations were targeted they certainly couldn't keep it hidden from the public any longer.

styggpyggeno1 · Oct 9, 2020

You do understand I live in Sweden? What do you mean with "over here and all over the net" Over here - in Sweden - there were no hiding of the grenade problems. How could there be? Why would politicians try to hide the grenade attacks? A bunch of young criminals had got hold of old Yugoslavian hand grenades made for war. They were cheap and as there was no earlier experience in our society of grenade attacks the laws were not prepared for it. If getting caught with a grenade the punishment was lower than if you had a handgun. There was a gang war going on. No politics, no religion - just plain old organized crime fighting each others (and the police) over narcotics, trafficing and prostitution.

If you believe the Swedish politicians and/or journalists were trying to hide, for instance, that the ones throwing the grenades were not "real Swedes" you are wrong. There was no such thing (hiding). A large part of our parliament consists of members that do belive our "new Swedes" are the cause of all problems. It would be very strange if they would try to hide something they have been voted to promote (edit - that foreigners causes all things bad)... And we have a free press - and the net.

But there is an international agenda, driven by uninformed and ignorant international politicians, trying to make it something else. What they, in reality say is - even in the Swedish self proclaimed "paradise" they have problems and it is all the foreigners fault, and islam, and socialists, and... (hey - look over there - and by doing that you do not notice what is happening here) ...and that we, the Swedes, are hiding it...!?

I will leave it by this. The thread drift is too far by now. I wrote my original post just saying I believe as a nation we have a good balance in our view and use of weapons. We use them for hunting. I do not understand what a very small group of criminals using hand grenades has to do with it.

Waltesefalcon · Oct 29, 2020

I added a 1906 Model DWM Luger to the stable. All numbers match and it seems to be in good order. It's in .30 Luger and came with an old flap holster. I'm hoping that things dry out around here enough for me to go shoot it Saturday.

Waltesefalcon · Oct 29, 2020

I added another Colt to my line up. This one is a Police Positive made in 1910 and chambered in .32 Police ctg. (.32 S&W for those of us that don't work in Colt's marketing department). It is old enough that it has the rampant colt inside a 'C'. It's another one that came with an old holster. For a size comparison I've placed it with my Army Special (middle) and one of my New Services (top). The Police Positive was the smallest framed of Colt's four different sizes that were produced in the prewar period. The one I'm missing is the Police Positive Special which would fit between the Police Positive and the Army Special.

64Wing · Oct 29, 2020

Anybody want to debate appendix vs 4 o'clock? IWB vs OWB, etc? I'd really like to hear what you CPL/CCW peeps think.

Keith88lx · Oct 29, 2020

Not as cool as waltesefalcon but here is my recent purchase. CZ P10c

The Father · Oct 29, 2020

64Wing
Anybody want to debate appendix vs 4 o'clock? IWB vs OWB, etc? I'd really like to hear what you CPL/CCW peeps think.

Not looking to debate.
Carry appendix or at 2 o’clock. Feel the weapon is under my control at all times. Draw from concealment in pretty quick manner. Pictured is Glock 43. Now have either a 17 or 19 at 2 o’clock
Watch in the shot for OF reverence

Professor · Oct 29, 2020

For me the main consideration is it being reasonably comfortable when seated, and easily accessible in a seated as well as standing position.
My S&W I frame with aprox 4" barrel fits snuggly behind my belt buckle in a near horizontal attitude. Just angled enough that the barrel is below the belt line while grip is fully exposed up to the rear of the triggerguard.
I used a simple suede sheath with two layers rough out and rough in. That way there is little drag when drawing, and little chance of slipping out by accident, while the sheath stays put.
I have just enough belly overhang to make the little revolver invisible under a T-shirt.
I can use the same sheath with my 1922 FN, but that style of auto is not well suited to concealed carry. The striker firing pistols require a better safety than is standard with these Browning designs if you wish to carry with one up the pipe.

While my S&W Model 59 is a safe handgun to carry concealed with one in the chamber the fat heavy grip and short barrel make it out of balance for inside the waist band carry other than when using a more secure holster behind the hip.

64Wing · Oct 29, 2020

The Father
Not looking to debate.
Carry appendix or at 2 o’clock. Feel the weapon is under my control at all times. Draw from concealment in pretty quick manner. Pictured is Glock 43. Now have either a 17 or 19 at 2 o’clock
Watch in the shot for OF reverence

Oh, now I see the gun...sorry, got distracted by the pretty speedy.

Perhaps debate was not the right word choice. I should have said: discuss

64Wing · Oct 29, 2020

Professor
For me the main consideration is it being reasonably comfortable when seated, and easily accessible in a seated as well as standing position.
My S&W I frame with aprox 4" barrel fits snuggly behind my belt buckle in a near horizontal attitude. Just angled enough that the barrel is below the belt line while grip is fully exposed up to the rear of the triggerguard.
I used a simple suede sheath with two layers rough out and rough in. That way there is little drag when drawing, and little chance of slipping out by accident, while the sheath stays put.
I have just enough belly overhang to make the little revolver invisible under a T-shirt.
I can use the same sheath with my 1922 FN, but that style of auto is not well suited to concealed carry. The striker firing pistols require a better safety than is standard with these Browning designs if you wish to carry with one up the pipe.

While my S&W Model 59 is a safe handgun to carry concealed with one in the chamber the fat heavy grip and short barrel make it out of balance for inside the waist band carry other than when using a more secure holster behind the hip.

These are points I try to consider when choosing where to holster. I carry very comfortably at 4. But that doesn't provide good draw from a seated position (like in a car). I've considered bolting a magnet to the underside of my dash to hang the trying while I drive. Don't really see another option as appendix carry is wretchedly uncomfortable when seated for me.

Professor · Oct 30, 2020

64Wing
These are points I try to consider when choosing where to holster. I carry very comfortably at 4. But that doesn't provide good draw from a seated position (like in a car). I've considered bolting a magnet to the underside of my dash to hang the trying while I drive. Don't really see another option as appendix carry is wretchedly uncomfortable when seated for me.

While replacing the headliner in my old station wagon it occurred to me that a good place to conceal a handgun in a car would be a holster glued or riveted to the inside of the roof and the headliner there sewn with stitching easily pulled loose in an emergency. Don't know if that would be legal though, and unlikely to escape a serious search.

Professor · Oct 30, 2020

Waltesefalcon
I added a 1906 Model DWM Luger to the stable. All numbers match and it seems to be in good order. It's in .30 Luger and came with an old flap holster. I'm hoping that things dry out around here enough for me to go shoot it Saturday.

I've read that Lugers only got a rep for jamming after they adopted the 9X19 round. The pistols fed the .30 round perfectly. They fed the 9mm perfectly until the notch in the mag body became worn and allowed the mag to seat a smidgeon too low, less of an issue with the .30 bullets. The truncated cone bullet shape of early German milspec 9mm ball didn't help.

PS
I suspect George Reeve's (Superman) suicide was actually a accidental discharge caused by a loose sear housing. This was a common cause of accidents involving GIs handling battle field pickup Lugers. WW1 Lugers rebuilt several times before WW2 re-issue often had loose sear housings.

64Wing · Oct 30, 2020

Professor
While replacing the headliner in my old station wagon it occurred to me that a good place to conceal a handgun in a car would be a holster glued or riveted to the inside of the roof and the headliner there sewn with stitching easily pulled loose in an emergency. Don't know if that would be legal though, and unlikely to escape a serious search.

My biggest concern with that would be the piece becoming to hot to hold if you needed to deploy it and it's been baking up there all afternoon or something.

I had a buddy that would keep his in the overhead console and this was his complaint. Dangerous bit is that he's an FFL holder so always trying to convince me to buy more guns lol

Professor · Oct 30, 2020

64Wing
My biggest concern with that would be the piece becoming to hot to hold if you needed to deploy it and it's been baking up there all afternoon or something.

I had a buddy that would keep his in the overhead console and this was his complaint. Dangerous bit is that he's an FFL holder so always trying to convince me to buy more guns lol

It would be safe enough in cool weather, but in summer it very well might become very hot under that headliner if the vehicle were left parked in the sun.

efauser · Oct 30, 2020

I have gotten very interested in lever action rifles.
I have a Marlin 1895 45-70

Miroku Winchester 1873 .357

Pre-1964 Winchester 94 30-30

Savage 99 .300

Henry H010B 45-70.

Shotguns: Winchester 101 12 ga.

S&W Elite Gold 20 ga

Ugartachea 12 ga.

Pistols: Stoeger STR-9

S&W 442 .38 Special

64Wing · Oct 30, 2020

efauser
I have gotten very interested in lever action rifles. I have a Marlin 1895 45-70, Miroku Winchester 1873 .357, Pre-1964 Winchester 94 30-30, Savage 99 .300, Henry H010B 45-70.
Shotguns: Winchester 101 12 ga., S&W Elite Gold 20 ga and Ugartachea 12 ga.
Pistols: Stoeger STR-9 and S&W 442 .38 Special.

A Winchester or Henry .30-30 or even .45-70 has been working it's way into my must-have list for a while. Might have already said that here, but it's still true!

MikiJ · Oct 30, 2020

I've had a Big Boy Classic .42mag for a while. Perfect for PA Deer season.
I bought a .41mag as I carry a S&W 4" Model 57 when I'm in the field.
Never a chance of putting the wrong round in either one 😀

efauser · Oct 30, 2020

64Wing
A Winchester or Henry .30-30 or even .45-70 has been working it's way into my must-have list for a while. Might have already said that here, but it's still true!

I went with the 45-70 because the ammo is more plentiful right now, compared with the 30-30 that seems to be rather scare and quite expensive. Plus, it makes a statement.

64Wing · Oct 30, 2020

efauser
I went with the 45-70 because the ammo is more plentiful right now, compared with the 30-30 that seems to be rather scare and quite expensive. Plus, it makes a statement.

Hadn't even priced the ammo yet but I appreciate the Intel. Can't wait for this year to be over so maybe the run on ammo will be tamed and I can actually buy more than a box at a time lol