Snoopy 2025 production issues?

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This is what I originally saw as well looking through pictures- the lack of detail seems to be somewhat progressive, which could be suggestive of damage or wear. I don't know why a strike with less pressure would be progressive as opposed to sudden, or more material removal would slowly become apparent in series.
To lend more credence to this, here’s a “new” Snoopy with a full, yet very thin, zipper:

Assuming a manufacturing process change, this would appear to look like what might be intended.
 
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Assuming a manufacturing process change, this would appear to look like what might be intended.

Obviously this is all speculation and we can't know for sure but the loss of finer details around the zipper could signify a copper die that is losing definition, per @ErichKeane 's theory.
 
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but it's almost certain more than 5,000 Snoopy 50th watches have been made
If so still not to many for a steel die to wear off

the only difference is how much material has been removed from the top surface after the die was struck.
that or the applied enamel or paint could be the problem as well.

In my view it comes down to QC, it slipped along the way for whatever reason(s).
And it shouldn`t have, the quality is crap compared to the advertised picture and early production models.
 
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If this truly slipped by Omega QC that’s honestly horrible. I’d almost prefer this to be within their tolerance. But the complete, seemingly gradual zipper (and to a lesser extent, finger demarcation) loss is hard to explain as anything intended or within tolerance.
 
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If this truly slipped by Omega QC that’s honestly horrible. I’d almost prefer this to be within their tolerance. But the complete, seemingly gradual zipper (and to a lesser extent, finger demarcation) loss is hard to explain as anything intended or within tolerance.

Whether or not it is a strike error or more material is being removed (or both), I agree the dials don't look great. I don't know what the rejection rate of these dials was but I'd guess it wasn't low. Anyway you look at it, QC was "relaxed."
 
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I've seen folks receiving Omega warranty service for tinier issues and miniscule OCD differentiations on watches. Definitely a QC issue in my book.
 
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Omega serials have been random for a while now, is there some significance to them now?

Mine from 12/2023 starts with 84.
Post your macro shots in this thread if you can. Not that they would settle anything but they are cool.
 
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I've seen folks receiving Omega warranty service for tinier issues and miniscule OCD differentiations on watches. Definitely a QC issue in my book.
To add an anecdote here, Omega was prepared to service a Moonwatch of mine that completed its subdial minute transition at 58.5s instead of 60s. I decided not to bother since they said it’ll be covered under warranty and they’ll do a full service, so I’ll probably do it near the end of warranty. But I bring this up since I’ve seen this on many Speedmasters, so it’s possible they may have laxer QC and then offer service only for those unhappy. I’d prefer tighter QC, but I guess it gets you a free service down the line?

With this watch’s subdial issue, I’d be a bit more worried about it going out of production, though.
 
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Again. This is all subjective imo.

A minute counter on a subdial ticking over at 58 seconds rather than 60 is objective and depending upon the tolerances, could be seen as being out of spec.

The details or lack thereof on these subdials is purely personal opinion as to whether it meets their standards. Omega could easily say it’s just a slightly different design. As Al pointed out, there may be less detail in some areas such as the zipper, but the stars seem better defined.

Personally I think I prefer the newer one as there lines are more precise and less chunky. It looks more refined and there’s less ‘overspray’ in the stars
 
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Again. This is all subjective imo.

A minute counter on a subdial ticking over at 58 seconds rather than 60 is objective and depending upon the tolerances, could be seen as being out of spec.

The details or lack thereof on these subdials is purely personal opinion as to whether it meets their standards. Omega could easily say it’s just a slightly different design. As Al pointed out, there may be less detail in some areas such as the zipper, but the stars seem better defined.

Personally I think I prefer the newer one as there lines are more precise and less chunky. It looks more refined and there’s less ‘overspray’ in the stars

Whether or not you prefer the older or newer look better, it does not match up with the images Omega has chosen to represent as their Flagship limited edition watch.

That's not subjective.

This isn't a Big Mac, the product you received should not vary this much from the image advertised.

Nor is it a car- it is a luxury item. I think we all understand that the rules for luxury items are a bit different.


Subjective...I really didn't have an issue with the lack of definition on the Stars, it added a sort of cartoonish Whimsy that the over ground and flattened surfaces do not do. I think most people probably are more okay with more texture as opposed to less.

Edit: I genuinely hope this subjective objective nonsense doesn't spiral wildly out of control, since it seems to be an internet favorite hot button topic. If I went to purchase a print of Van Gogh's starry night, I would assume that it would be accurate to the original painting. If however, I went to purchase a handmade item that is supposed to have some variation around a theme, I would expect and even welcome that variation.

These Snoopy anniversary watches are more like the first example. They are a print of the silver snoopy award. They were never advertised as handmade. They were never advertised as having variation. There is absolutely no reason for any of us to expect this much variation.
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Whether or not you prefer the older or newer look better, it does not match up with the images Omega has chosen to represent as their Flagship limited edition watch.

That's not subjective.

This isn't a Big Mac, the product you received should not vary this much from the image advertised.

Nor is it a car- it is a luxury item. I think we all understand that the rules for luxury items are a bit different.


Subjective...I really didn't have an issue with the lack of definition on the Stars, it added a sort of cartoonish Whimsy that the over ground and flattened surfaces do not do. I think most people probably are more okay with more texture as opposed to less.

Edit: I genuinely hope this subjective objective nonsense doesn't spiral wildly out of control, since it seems to be an internet favorite hot button topic. If I went to purchase a print of Van Gogh's starry night, I would assume that it would be accurate to the original painting. If however, I went to purchase a handmade item that is supposed to have some variation around a theme, I would expect and even welcome that variation.

These Snoopy anniversary watches are more like the first example. They are a print of the silver snoopy award. They were never advertised as handmade. They were never advertised as having variation. There is absolutely no reason for any of us to expect this much variation.

I’ll agree actually that the presence of lack there of of a zip isn’t subjective. It’s there or it isn’t. However, it’s such a minor point I can’t in all seriousness think any same person would think “I loved this watch when the dog had a zip on his spacesuit, but now it’s just buttons it’s ruined for me”.

I’m sure Omegas QC tolerance is something like a flaw needs to be visible from 30cm to qualify as an issue. I wonder is is visible at such a distance?

Either way, purely from my perspective, while I understand it’s an interesting discussion for some as we love to ponder the tiniest details on our watches, I wriggle to understand how this would impact anyone’s enjoyment of the watch to the extent they’d seek to get the dial replaced under warranty. Something I can’t see Omega doing anyway.
 
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it’s such a minor point

is it? It's more noticeable than whether or not a bezel is dot over 90, just to pick one tiny but very important variation amongst a massive list of such minor, minor differences that matter.

Again, this is a luxury item and minor variations can cause massive differences in value.


from 30cm to qualify as an issue. I wonder is is visible at such a distance?

I guarantee you that I and many other people would easily be able to see the missing zipper at 12 in / 30 cm.

I wriggle to understand how this would impact anyone’s enjoyment

Please reread my example of the van Gogh print.

Edit: edit:::: scratch that. If the subdial hash marks had this much variation on a regular Speedmaster professional, we'd be calling it a fake dial, or, a problem dial. period.

This isn't worth arguing about.
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is it? It's more noticeable than whether or not a bezel is dot over 90, just to pick one tiny but very important variation amongst a massive list of such minor, minor differences that matter.

Again, this is a luxury item and minor variations can cause massive differences in value.

Yes I think it is a minor point. You don’t. That’s fine, we don’t have to agree.

I think your comparison is flawed though. The DON/DNN isn’t to do with the dot. The dot is simply one of several ways of identifying bezels that are correct for more valuable references and hence are more valuable themselves.
The zipper/no zipper dial is for the same model. A better analogy would be the pointed 4/flat 4 in the Submariner Kermit, which I also think is a ridiculous notion peddled by dealers to create artificial increased in market value.

I’d also question whether Omega is a luxury watch.

I guarantee you that I and many other people would easily be able to see the missing zipper at 12 in / 30 cm.
Fair enough.

Please reread my example of the van Gogh print.

Edit: edit:::: scratch that. If the subdial hash marks had this much variation on a regular Speedmaster professional, we'd be calling it a fake dial, or, a problem dial. period.

This isn't worth arguing about.

I don’t understand the comparison between a painting/print and a watch. A mass produced watch isn’t a perfect facsimile of an original, especially at Omega standards.

Regarding subdials, obviously if a minute or second hash mark was missing that’s a different story - there’s 60 seconds/minutes, but Snoopy is a design.
 
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Now we're getting somewhere!

These versions can be known as the "buttons" vs "zippers."

Or if we want to get more poetic, they can be described as the "Amish" versus the "English" dial type.

Or for Doc Seuss fans, "Star-bellied Sneetch" versus "Non-Star-bellied Sneetch"
 
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I agree it isn't worth arguing about, but if a regular, black Speedmaster dial came with light or missing hash marks or numerals most owners would be unhappy and would ask for a new watch or a replacement dial, and Omega would replace it under warranty. I don't see much difference here, there are some faint, or missing, details on that special sub-dial. Yes, the process is different but the results should be the same, all the details as shown in the Omega promotional materials should be there. To my eyes the later examples look more and more like Snoopy and the lettering are appliques rather than a stamping, I know they aren't but that's how they often appear, just a flat appearance against the blue enamel. But pictures aren't the definitive answer here.
 
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I think your comparison is flawed though. The DON/DNN isn’t to do with the dot...

...I don’t understand the comparison between a painting/print and a watch. A mass produced watch...

Well... I'd ask that you consider attempting understanding, as opposed to actively finding disagreement with my comparisons.

Not to mention, by your own proposed metric of quality control.... Omega isn't there. Isn't that enough or do you not like your own proposed metric for Omega quality control?


Anyway, I'm happy to move on.
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Or for Doc Seuss fans, "Star-bellied Sneetch" versus "Non-Star-bellied Sneetch"

Peanuts, that's genius.
 
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I agree it isn't worth arguing about, but if a regular, black Speedmaster dial came with light or missing hash marks or numerals most owners would be unhappy and would ask for a new watch or a replacement dial, and Omega would replace it under warranty. I don't see much difference here, there are some faint, or missing, details on that special sub-dial. Yes, the process is different but the results should be the same, all the details as shown in the Omega promotional materials should be there. To my eyes the later examples look more and more like Snoopy and the lettering are appliques rather than a stamping, I know they aren't but that's how they often appear, just a flat appearance against the blue enamel. But pictures aren't the definitive answer here.
Like i posted earlier, I see it as a feature, not a flaw. Does not impact my enjoyment of it at all, and you all know I have OCD.....
 
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The Snoopy subdial is the most important aspect of this watch, it is the reason why it is special and sought after. They even include a loupe in the bow to admire the small details !!! This watch is a limited production with higher price tag, the details no matter how tiny they seem, should be well executed. There is no excuse for such varaitions. This is a QC issue and that should not be acceptable nor defended. If this was a tolerance margin, then it should have been the case since the first year of its release.

My gut says Omega will soon cease the Snoopy production and I think they will not publicly accept any responsibility but will change the dial for free as part of Warranty on case by case basis if requested by customer.