Seiko Pogue 6139-6001, 6030R - authentic or not

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Thanks. I will probably try the forum first but I will have to wait a bit to get 200 posts. In the meantime I will sort my KS ones and figure out what to sell. I am thinking, I will probably sell at least a few 56KS, 2 minty LMs with mistmatched dials(of course I will add this info) and 1-2 45KS.... yeah, it's super addictive.
 
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What do you reckon is the best place to sell it?

I just bought more vintage Seiko today and I have to start thinning things(I will probably sell some 56KS too).
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Where did you buy your Seikos? That seems a good place for selling.

Ebay, chrono24, reddit if you join.

Your watch is a nice watch to wear but not a collector's watch. There are tons of mismatched so-called Pogues with aftermarket parts or swapped dials, etc... Finding the correct reference in good condition can be a challenge. And a put together watch costs as much for service as a correct one, which is about $650 by a good watchmaker. Most people here who are looking for a Pogue want the real one so I don't think yours would sell unless it was cheap.

I spent a lot of time and money looking for and getting my watch serviced. People who trade in Seikos know the attraction for Pogues and try to sell inexpensive lookalike 6139s for the same money, which is unfortunate. It's a good example of needing to do research before you buy. Of course, if you know what you're getting and buy it for fun, that's fine too. But if you think you're getting something you're not (like a true Pogue), it can be an expensive and disappointing lesson.

 
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Where did you buy your Seikos? That seems a good place for selling.

Ebay, chrono24, reddit if you join.

Your watch is a nice watch to wear but not a collector's watch. There are tons of mismatched so-called Pogues with aftermarket parts or swapped dials, etc... Finding the correct reference in good condition can be a challenge. And a put together watch costs as much for service as a correct one, which is about $650 by a good watchmaker. Most people here who are looking for a Pogue want the real one so I don't think yours would sell unless it was cheap.

I spent a lot of time and money looking for and getting my watch serviced. People who trade in Seikos know the attraction for Pogues and try to sell inexpensive lookalike 6139s for the same money, which is unfortunate. It's a good example of needing to do research before you buy. Of course, if you know what you're getting and buy it for fun, that's fine too. But if you think you're getting something you're not (like a true Pogue), it can be an expensive and disappointing lesson.

Is servicing a chronograph that more difficult and time consuming compared to a non-chronograph? Honestly I am only getting started so I have no idea.
 
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Is servicing a chronograph that more difficult and time consuming compared to a non-chronograph? Honestly I am only getting started so I have no idea.

Take a peak at chronograph movement compared to even an automatic wind time only and you'll see the extra gears, levers, etc, a ton more going on there. So yeah it takes way more knowledge and time.
 
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Is servicing a chronograph that more difficult and time consuming compared to a non-chronograph? Honestly I am only getting started so I have no idea.

FWIW, in my neck of the woods, assuming no parts are needed and the watchmaker doesn't encounter any big surprises: 3-hander service is $250-$400; chrono service is $600-$800 range.
 
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Is servicing a chronograph that more difficult and time consuming compared to a non-chronograph? Honestly I am only getting started so I have no idea.

I use this man. He's very knowledgeable about Seikos and diligent in his trade. When it comes to watch service, you don't want the cheapest guy. It takes a lot of time and work. The only way to cut the time to fix it is to not do it correctly.

https://www.theseikologist.com/about
 
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I use this man. He's very knowledgeable about Seikos and diligent in his trade. When it comes to watch service, you don't want the cheapest guy. It takes a lot of time and work. The only way to cut the time to fix it is to not do it correctly.

https://www.theseikologist.com/about
I was watching a couple Ashton Tracy videos and for some reason I started reading the comments. Some troll posted “that was the most clumsy watch service I’ve ever seen” Mr. Tracy took the time to reply, “put up your videos” kinda made my day for some reason. Guess I’m easily entertained.
 
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On the subject of Pogues, how correct does this 6005 dial look?

(I re-lumed the hands Bergeon bone white and fitted a new crystal after this pic)

 
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On the subject of Pogues, how correct does this 6005 dial look?

(I re-lumed the hands Bergeon bone white and fitted a new crystal after this pic)


I don't claim to be an expert but I don't see anything incorrect.

It only has Seiko and Automatic
It has 17j
The minute subregister is tight against the edge
The A in Japan has a flat top
The space between Japan and 6139 is at 37 min
It's 6009T
The dash in 6009 starts at 24min
The date and day surround is rounded
There may be others.

Your minute counter hand is correct. I think Pogue's was replaced at service.
Pogue's pogue

 
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On the subject of Pogues, how correct does this 6005 dial look?

(I re-lumed the hands Bergeon bone white and fitted a new crystal after this pic)


Hi Jim,

Did you remove the dial at all during your resuming works? In my experience the dials are date stamped on the reverse and this corresponds to the date stamp on the case back (first 2 numbers). A good indicator if the dial is genuine or at the very least contemporary with the case back
 
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Hi Jim,

Did you remove the dial at all during your resuming works? In my experience the dials are date stamped on the reverse and this corresponds to the date stamp on the case back (first 2 numbers). A good indicator if the dial is genuine or at the very least contemporary with the case back

Yep. it was a full service.

Caseback shot (blurred number as it's a client's watch).



Reverse of dial has 22 date stamp, so ties in farily well.

 
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Yep. it was a full service.

Caseback shot (blurred number as it's a client's watch).



Reverse of dial has 22 date stamp, so ties in farily well.

In that case I should say it is a very high probability that the dial at least is absolutely genuine
 
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I was watching a couple Ashton Tracy videos and for some reason I started reading the comments. Some troll posted “that was the most clumsy watch service I’ve ever seen” Mr. Tracy took the time to reply, “put up your videos” kinda made my day for some reason. Guess I’m easily entertained.
Glad you enjoyed it! I’m not on YouTube to make friends, maybe that’s why I haven’t…
 
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@pdxleaf did a great job listing the differences, and I'll add to that here. When it comes to the aftermarket dials, the lume plots are often a good giveaway as often they appear very shiny. Sometimes the lume plots will have been re-lumed, which is the case on he aftermarket dial below, so watch out for that. The colour can be a giveaway too. Usually, the sub dial of the aftermarket dial will have a heavy, grooved pattern. The originals don’t have grooves but more of a brushed sandpaper style concentric look. The applied SEIKO logo on the OG versions will be sharp, with crisp edges. The aftermarket’s are usually quite soft and rounded. Lastly, I have never seen an aftermarket dial with a date code printed. Pics below (I apologize, I couldn't be bothered taking the crystal of the OG and have no other yellow dial's apart right now).

Aftermarket version - note the sot edges on the logo.


Nice, crisp lines. No rounding.


Aftermarket - heavy concentric grooves.



OG - Brushed, 'sandpaper' style finish

 
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I have found a Seiko pogue watch 6139-6001 serial number 003561 it's in really good condition doesn't look worn hardly photos don't do it justice . I've approached a dealer who said it's worth £250 , unless it's been serviced . It seems to work fine but if someone could maybe shed more light on the watch and lower serial number /value
 
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I have found a Seiko pogue watch 6139-6001 serial number 003561 it's in really good condition doesn't look worn hardly photos don't do it justice . I've approached a dealer who said it's worth £250 , unless it's been serviced . It seems to work fine but if someone could maybe shed more light on the watch and lower serial number /value

The photos are not clear enough for me to determine authenticity. As it is, it appears authentic and in very good condition. It's not the American market 6139 like a true "Pogue", but that only matters for some collectors. It's a great price for what appears to be a great condition watch, even more so of that is an original Seiko bracelet.

There's a lot of info on the web. What are you thinking?
 
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The photos are not clear enough for me to determine authenticity. As it is, it appears authentic and in very good condition. It's not the American market 6139 like a true "Pogue", but that only matters for some collectors. It's a great price for what appears to be a great condition watch, even more so of that is an original Seiko bracelet.

There's a lot of info on the web. What are you thinking?
Hi thanks for replying we are thinking of putting it on eBay or an auction site but are trying to gage the starting price and where the low serial number and condition would count in its favour for price but if it's only a couple of hundred we'd just keep it . I added another couple of photos if it helps to identify.
Many thanks for replying
Kind regards
 
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Hi thanks for replying we are thinking of putting it on eBay or an auction site but are trying to gage the starting price and where the low serial number and condition would count in its favour for price but if it's only a couple of hundred we'd just keep it . I added another couple of photos if it helps to identify.
Many thanks for replying
Kind regards

I thought you were trying to buy it but now you are trying to sell it. This is disingenuous.
 
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I thought you were trying to buy it but now you are trying to sell it. This is disingenuous.
I never said I was buying it I said I found It . It was in my uncles drawer It was my uncles that I found in a draw ! How am I being disingenuous? I'm trying to find out if the condition and serial number is relevant to price ! I think maybe you didn't read my original message properly or maybe I wrote it in a way you miss interpreted my question ??
 
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I never said I was buying it I said I found It . It was in my uncles drawer It was my uncles that I found in a draw ! How am I being disingenuous? I'm trying to find out if the condition and serial number is relevant to price ! I think maybe you didn't read my original message properly or maybe I wrote it in a way you miss interpreted my question ??
And I'm not trying to sell it to you !! Just asking if anyone on here can be of help !!