Hi there

I'm not a specialist at all of those ones. But this one looks in such a good shape and at a rather low price point that I'm naturally doubtful. Can you see something ?
Here are the images of the seller :


I'm going to ask a picture of the sides (to see also the crown), the case back, movement... But what kind of question should I ask to check originality ?

Thanks for your help

 

Here are some additional pictures :


Would really appreciate any help here
It looks like a great watch... I'm trying to do my homework right now checking some article on the web... But I think I should be somehow fast on this one...
Thanks

EDIT : I keep doing some research, here is my current list (I've asked for close up of the dial markings and of the bezel as I found some info there : https://vintagewatchadvisors.azurewebsites.net/2019/07/20/seiko-pogue-authentication-part-ii-dials/)
- The crown does not look right at all as it is not hidden within the case width (sorry for my English)
- The 5 of the bezels look too open (apparently on a real one the ends of the 5 are quite close)
- The side pictures of the case seems to show a case not that sharp but not easy to be sure either.
- Also I'm not sure but does the minute hands seem too thin ?
I'll keep looking and will post if I get more pictures.

 

Are you asking if it is all original? If so, it definitely isn't...it looks like it has an aftermarket inner bezel, outer bezel, dial, and possibly hands.

Many of these watches are "restored" with new aftermarket parts as most OEM parts are impossible to find. It isn't necessarily a bad thing, as finding an original 6139-6002 or 6139-6005 in that sort of crisp shape and at a cheap price is fairly difficult.

Regarding the crown, it might be an aftermarket crown, but it looks to be the correct style. It seems like the seller has it pulled out to the time setting position. If not, the stem could be too long and would just need to be shortened.

 

Thanks @masteroftime : I did not write correctly my question. I was really wondering if it was original ?
If not the 600euros requested are too high and anyway I would not buy a Franken watch.
I was trying to find out by myself : checking different website.
Can you just tell me what was giving it away on the bezels and dial ? Like that I’m learning : thanks !

 

Compare your dial to this one from Worn & Wound, for example:


https://wornandwound.com/gallery-seiko-6139-6002-pogue/



Look at the fineness of the sunburst and the font of the subdial.

 

Frankly, I'm not a pro with these, but some of the "pogue" (I am using the term liberally) aftermarket parts just jump out at you and it becomes evermore clear once you've held an original one and compare.

Over the past few months, I've had a fun little journey with this model. I first purchased a cheap restored watch from South Asia, and was frankly a little disappointed, so I then started building/restoring one that I had with a totally ruined dial with Seikosis parts. However, I stumbled upon an all original (but slightly worn) example last week that I added it to my collection. Here are some comparison shots:


Left to right: A friends 6139-6005 with original dial and incorrect hands, a high quality aftermarket dial from Seikosis, a lower end restored watch from South Asia. However, note that different years and models will have slightly different writing.



The watch in the box is a 6139-6005 that was purchased from the original owner who bought it in 1972/73 in OK and the watch next to it is a true pogue parts watch that he bought a decade ago to restore and was included in the sale. Both are original.




Looking at the above, the one you came across looks similar to the first watch I bought, except your example seems to have a white inner bezel. The white bezel isn't always totally wrong because the original yellow bezels aged and turned white due to light exposure, but the one you have looks like a fake white bezel.

 

Thanks that is crazy that I looked at it for 1hour yesterday and did not even noticed the color of the inner bezel … My lesson is not to get carried away in the evening
Looks like a model I should learn a lot more before going into buying mode.
Thanks a lot !

 

When I was at the same place you were with wanting to learn more, I found this to be a good resource. It covers the varying references and the nuances within each. And, what to look out for with how they are faked/restored.

https://thespringbar.com/blogs/guides/the-seiko-6139-600x-collectors-guide/

 

Hello!

I stopped following this reference which bytheway is not a true poque reference (6139-6005 is) when I realized that 99+% of those are not genuine but assembled with aftermarket pieces.
Condition of the caseback compared to dial and bezel insert tells me… this is the case here so better “run away”

Check also those links:

https://www.vintagewatchadvisors.com/2019/03/17/seiko-6139-600x-part-i/
https://www.vintagewatchadvisors.com/2019/03/17/seiko-6139-600x-part-ii/
https://vintagewatchadvisors.azurewebsites.net/2019/03/27/seiko-6139-600x-part-iii/

 

Hi thanks @masteroftime @Skipper_S @Scarecrow Boat @sleepyastronaut !

It's clear it is a franken watch now with dial (wrong sundial, fonts), bezel insert (white new), potentially wrong hands (too thin) and crown... so clearly a BIG NO NO.
The forum where it is put to sell does not allow comment on the ad... a pity really. OF enables to stay away of non very trustworthy people.

Just for sanity here are the pictures I received this morning for those who would end up looking at this thread in the future.

 

There is nothing original on that watch. Run away.

 

I've run away & passed the message to the seller who "acknowledges" he should have checked when he did buy it himself... though it did not impede him to try to sell it as 'all original as far as he knows'. That's one way to put it !

 

Watching a few Spencer Klein 6139 videos on YouTube is also helpful to novices looking for an honest example imo.