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  1. ConElPueblo Jan 10, 2018

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    Whatever happened to the other specimen, the one @Lucas said he has?
     
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  2. Lucas Jan 10, 2018

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    Please don't ask, I am not comfortable sharing online. Please understand. Of course this goes against the nature of the forum but you should have respect if people want to keep a watch to themselves! All I can say is that this dial exists and to me is legit.
     
  3. Tony C. Ωf Jury member Jan 10, 2018

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    Of course it is your right to not post images, but surely you understand that any claim about its legitimacy will be treated with skepticism by most collectors as a result.
     
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  4. ConElPueblo Jan 10, 2018

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    Sure I respect your decision. Now excuse me while I mentally delete your previous input.
     
  5. Diabolik Jan 11, 2018

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    Lucas ,

    You are right. Showing or not showing is most certainly your perogative. As far as your claim that it is genuine or legit, fair enough. In my eyes, as always, the proof is in the pudding.

    Regarding the claims that they do exist and without photographic or other evidence and considering that there are no documented black dial SAS Polerouter or Polarouter variations in any of the reference documents I have come across including the UG bible, I remain skeptic and I will go as far as incredulous but look forward to casting my eyes on one of these extremely rare examples ...
     
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  6. efauser I ♥ karma!!! Jan 11, 2018

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    I have a UFO parked in my backyard and its pilot is having tea with me. I won't compromise his privacy so you'll have to take my word for it.
     
  7. Mazoue Jan 11, 2018

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    Your point has already been made by @Tony C. and without him having to resort to sarcasm.

    I suspect if we were all a little more encouraging and supportive then more people would be willing to contribute to the form and to share things.
     
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  8. jumpingsecond Jan 11, 2018

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    @efauser did you recieve a bodily probing as well as is often reported in these cases ?::bleh::
     
  9. w154 Jan 11, 2018

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    He doesn't remember much at all after drinking the tea he was given...
     
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  10. efauser I ♥ karma!!! Jan 11, 2018

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    Twice, at my request.
     
  11. BenBagbag Jan 11, 2018

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    Do you have anything of substance to add to this conversation? Or just coming here to crap and leave? It's a bit tiring already...
     
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  12. bgrisso Jan 11, 2018

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    My my, everyone seems a little touchy this morning...
     
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  13. efauser I ♥ karma!!! Jan 11, 2018

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    Thought I would make your day by giving you something to complain about.
     
  14. Mazoue Jan 15, 2018

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    Phillips in Geneva were able to help with the dial, for which I am extremely grateful.

    They confirmed that the dial was made by Stern Freres for Universal Geneve and that "94" was the Stern Freres client code for UG. Detailed archives were only kept for special orders (e.g. cloisonné or enamel dials) and therefore the archives do not contain any further information about this dial. I am trying to establish the source of this information for the record.

    I am hoping that the archives might still be able to indicate an approximate date of manufacturer based on the order number ("076" in this case). Anything later than 1954 would clearly be a problem.

    No connection made yet with SAS but I feel like I'm heading in the right direction.
     
  15. Lucas Jan 16, 2018

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    @Diabolik what's the UG bible?
     
  16. Nobel Prize Spell Master! Jan 16, 2018

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    I’m coming very late to this thread but it appears to me that if one wants to believe.... one believes.
     
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  17. ELV web Jan 16, 2018

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    Sala’a book I believe is what is referred to as the UG bible
     
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  18. Mazoue Jan 17, 2018

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    Sala's book is of course about UG Chronographs.

    Polarouters and Polerouters are covered and illustrated in the introductory section, "The History of the Brand", but there is no photograph of an SAS Polarouter, with a white or black dial.
     
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  19. Diabolik Jan 17, 2018

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    You will not find a original black SAS anywhere ... The were not produced in black. You will find the gold (which are believed to have been given to heads of state)

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    and the off white ...

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  20. Mazoue Jan 17, 2018

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    I appreciate that you don't believe they were made in black but you cannot say categorically that they were not produced in black.

    Other than the fact that we've not yet seen another example and the fact that the printing of the SAS emblem admittedly does not appear to be quite as good as the above example, there is no reason to think that my example is not a genuine and original dial.

    I have always been open-eyed about it and will continue to try to research it but I've not yet come across any reason to conclude that it is not genuine.
     
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