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Decisions decisions.. feel like the no-date is a more elegant piece.

You’ll make you’re own decision of course, and smarter people than me will probably say otherwise, but:

The “Submariner” is the name of the watch that has no date, because the “Submariner” never had a date; it’s the “Submariner Date” that latter added the date, and is not a “Submariner” (it’s a “Submariner Date”). So, if you want a “Submariner,” buy the Submariner. 👍

The 41 Submariner, for my vote, has a balance and simplicity that can’t be beat...

 
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You’ll make you’re own decision of course, and smarter people than me will probably say otherwise, but:

The “Submariner” is the name of the watch that has no date, because the “Submariner” never had a date; it’s the “Submariner Date” that latter added the date, and is not a “Submariner” (it’s a “Submariner Date”). So, if you want a “Submariner,” buy the Submariner. 👍

The 41 Submariner, for my vote, has a balance and simplicity that can’t be beat...

I politely declined for the very reason you listed. Can't beat the symmetry and look of the original sub. Plus I keep hearing the cyclops collects dust particles and is rather annoying to keep clean.

This isn't to say that both aren't outstanding options. Enjoy yours in good health.
 
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In spite of continued hype, it certainly feels like waitlists have reduced over the last few months (or possibly since the introduction of the new Subs/DJs/OPs).

More and more people appear to be being offered watches than at any time in the last 18-24 months.

Is this true?

Is the grey market becoming saturated and so greys/flippers are buying less ?

Did Rolex build up a stock of the new models and releasein bulk (similarly did this affect production of the old models, contributing to the restriction)?

Is this down to covid - with international travel restricted are ADs selling more locally?
 
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The new Sub is certainly being supplied quite readily. Everything else is still like gold dust.
 
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The “Submariner” is the name of the watch that has no date, because the “Submariner” never had a date; it’s the “Submariner Date” that latter added the date, and is not a “Submariner” (it’s a “Submariner Date”). So, if you want a “Submariner,” buy the Submariner. 👍

Both watches have the word Submariner in the bottom of the dial, the difference is in the wording at the top of the dial where the wording for the 124060 is Oyster Perpetual whereas the 126610LN has the wording Oyster Perpetual Date.

Oh, and you're right the 124060 is the better watch due to the link to the original and that gorgeous symmetry of the dial, just stunning. 😀
 
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Both watches have the word Submariner in the bottom of the dial, the difference is in the wording at the top of the dial where the wording for the 124060 is Oyster Perpetual whereas the 126610LN has the wording Oyster Perpetual Date.

Oh, and you're right the 124060 is the better watch due to the link to the original and that gorgeous symmetry of the dial, just stunning. 😀

Ok, to be technical, the model names for the two watches are the “Oyster Perpetual Submariner” vs the “Oyster Perpetual Submariner Date.” But, with the way “Oyster Perpetual” is used at/by Rolex, it’s the “Submariner” vs the “Submariner Date.”



Not an actual substantive discussion of course, as instead my prior post was half-hearted jest to indirectly comment that the so-called (incorrectly called?) “no date” IS the Submariner for some - or as Rolex themselves put it in the manual that comes with either watch:

 
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Paperwork and websites create confusion, look at the wording on the watch; one has OP the other OPD underneath Rolex. The wording at the 6 o’clock position is the same on both watches.
 
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Paperwork and websites create confusion

Nothing confusing here: the watches’ official names, per Rolex, are the “submariner” and the “submariner date.”

Let the underdog model have it’s one thing 🙁
 
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Nothing confusing here: the watches’ official names, per Rolex, are the “submariner” and the “submariner date.”

Let the underdog model have it’s one thing 🙁

Not what is written on the watches 😀
 
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Not what is written on the watches 😀
Having the date written on the dial seems a bit much to me, it's not like nobody would be able to identify it without that text.😗
 
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Ok, to be technical, the model names for the two watches are the “Oyster Perpetual Submariner” vs the “Oyster Perpetual Submariner Date.” But, with the way “Oyster Perpetual” is used at/by Rolex, it’s the “Submariner” vs the “Submariner Date.”



Not an actual substantive discussion of course, as instead my prior post was half-hearted jest to indirectly comment that the so-called (incorrectly called?) “no date” IS the Submariner for some - or as Rolex themselves put it in the manual that comes with either watch:


100% correct of course.

BTW reading all these threads about wait lists and other hoops people are jumping through, I'm just happy I have zero interest in anything Rolex currently makes.
 
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The various Subs, GMT's, Daytona's are all nice but I'm not interested in simply because it's not worth the effort to me.

The only watches I like currently are the new 41mm OP's and Explorer 1 which should be easier to get than the other SS models.
 
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BTW reading all these threads about wait lists and other hoops people are jumping through, I'm just happy I have zero interest in anything Rolex currently makes.

I guess that I have been lucky, a three week wait for my DJ and technically a 12 day wait for my Submariner although I had to wait a further 7 days as I was on holiday.

And not a hoop in sight

😀
 
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I guess that I have been lucky, a three week wait for my DJ and technically a 12 day wait for my Submariner although I had to wait a further 7 days as I was on holiday.

And not a hoop in sight

😀

This appears to be the exception, based on what I've read in countless posts on countless forums. I guess you are special. 👍

Still, glad I have no interest in these...😉
 
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This appears to be the exception, based on what I've read in countless posts on countless forums. I guess you are special. 👍

Still, glad I have no interest in these...😉

Haha I'm definitely not special 😁

My wife and the SA I deal with at the AD get on really well, we cannot walk past the store without having to pop in so that they can catch up on the gossip, so I guess that this helped me get the Submariner, my DJ came at a time when stainless steel DJ's were readily available I just had to wait whilst the store got the combination I wanted in from another store.

But I have to say that the team at the Omega Boutique I use are also brilliant, always have time for a chat when you wander in. I found out on my last visit that the watches worn by the staff are sent back to Omega HQ and destroyed if the member of staff doesn't buy the watch, seems such a shame but that is the process, watches just two years old destroyed 🙁
 
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My wife and the SA I deal with at the AD get on really well,

Well, that's one way to get watches faster I suppose! 😉
 
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Not what is written on the watches 😀


...the difference is in the wording [on the dial] for the 124060 is Oyster Perpetual whereas the 126610LN has the wording Oyster Perpetual Date.

::stirthepot::
 
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I found out on my last visit that the watches worn by the staff are sent back to Omega HQ and destroyed if the member of staff doesn't buy the watch, seems such a shame but that is the process, watches just two years old destroyed 🙁

How sad. Surely, Omega can afford to just "give away" a watch to sales associate reaching 2 years' tenure. Especially if they require staff to wear Omega timepieces at work. Assuming a cost basis at 50% of a $7,000 MSRP for models like a PO or AT, that's $3,500 spread across 24 months... around $1,750 in expenses per employee per year. Cheaper yet on Speedy Pro or SMP.

Seems like a very small expense worth paying, for improved employee morale and building a new hire sales associates' enthusiasm for the brand, if they knew they get their first watch free upon completing 2 years with the company.

I wonder why Omega must go as far as to destroy the watches if the employee elects not to purchase. Why not accumulate these returns into an internal fleet of "livery" watches? And offer sales associates the ability to swap their "service watch" selections every 6 months? So an SA can check out a PO for 1st half of the year, a DeVille next, then a DSOTM later, and on and on. That sort of rotation can only be good for SA's proficiency with the product line.

Or if this 'fleet' idea is too costly, at least offer to supply a previously-returned watch as a free loaner to a new-hire SA, who doesn't yet own an Omega. Destroying is such a dreadful waste of our planet's resources... and erodes any PR goodwill generated through its charitable programs like partnering with the Goodplanet Foundation.

In a couple weeks, I'm planning to make a purchase at an OB for the first time since 2017. Admittedly, learning of this has cast a cloud over my spirits knowing that as I glance at the wrists of SA's in that boutique, some of the beautiful timepieces I see could be destined for the scrap bin.

I would much prefer Omega scrap its policy of requiring SA's to wear Omega watches, rather than scrapping its own watches. I remember the salesman who sold me my first Rolex worn an Invicta Diver. I didn't mind at all because he was very knowledgeable and an excellent spokesperson for the Rolex brand even though he was wearing a Submariner knock-off. His manager, who ultimately rung up the purchase, wore a RG DD 40, and was equally pleasant to interact with. I must be in the minority, but I really don't care what my sales associate is wearing on their wrist when I go into a store to buy a watch from him/her.
 
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How sad. Surely, Omega can afford to just "give away" a watch to sales associate reaching 2 years' tenure. Especially if they require staff to wear Omega timepieces at work. Assuming a cost basis at 50% of a $7,000 MSRP for models like a PO or AT, that's $3,500 spread across 24 months... around $1,750 in expenses per employee per year. Cheaper yet on Speedy Pro or SMP.

Seems like a very small expense worth paying, for improved employee morale and building a new hire sales associates' enthusiasm for the brand, if they knew they get their first watch free upon completing 2 years with the company.

I wonder why Omega must go as far as to destroy the watches if the employee elects not to purchase. Why not accumulate these returns into an internal fleet of "livery" watches? And offer sales associates the ability to swap their "service watch" selections every 6 months? So an SA can check out a PO for 1st half of the year, a DeVille next, then a DSOTM later, and on and on. That sort of rotation can only be good for SA's proficiency with the product line.

Or if this 'fleet' idea is too costly, at least offer to supply a previously-returned watch as a free loaner to a new-hire SA, who doesn't yet own an Omega. Destroying is such a dreadful waste of our planet's resources... and erodes any PR goodwill generated through its charitable programs like partnering with the Goodplanet Foundation.

In a couple weeks, I'm planning to make a purchase at an OB for the first time since 2017. Admittedly, learning of this has cast a cloud over my spirits knowing that as I glance at the wrists of SA's in that boutique, some of the beautiful timepieces I see could be destined for the scrap bin.

I would much prefer Omega scrap its policy of requiring SA's to wear Omega watches, rather than scrapping its own watches. I remember the salesman who sold me my first Rolex worn an Invicta Diver. I didn't mind at all because he was very knowledgeable and an excellent spokesperson for the Rolex brand even though he was wearing a Submariner knock-off. His manager, who ultimately rung up the purchase, wore a RG DD 40, and was equally pleasant to interact with. I must be in the minority, but I really don't care what my sales associate is wearing on their wrist when I go into a store to buy a watch from him/her.

Totally agree with all of this and said as much in the store but the response was that Omega do not sell second hand watches, only new ones.

I even tried 'well give them to me' and I will pay for a full service, including a deep clean and where is bracelet isn't with the watch buy a new strap. But still no they will be destroyed. It is so sad and such a waste of resource.
 
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How sad. Surely, Omega can afford to just "give away" a watch to sales associate reaching 2 years' tenure. Especially if they require staff to wear Omega timepieces at work. Assuming a cost basis at 50% of a $7,000 MSRP for models like a PO or AT, that's $3,500 spread across 24 months... around $1,750 in expenses per employee per year. Cheaper yet on Speedy Pro or SMP.

I don't think these things are ever as simple as they seem. If you were "given" a watch by your employer like this, in many places that may be considered a taxable benefit, leaving the sales person now on the hook for taxes on an expensive watch that they may not want (these people are not always watch enthusiasts), or be able to afford the taxes and upkeep on.

I think shuffling them around not only will cost money, but they likely don't want employees wearing watches that are even slightly blemished, so this is probably why they are removed after 2 years or wearing.

If you are looking for environmentally friendly businesses, the luxury goods market is the last place you should be looking. These companies can greenwash all they want, but they are anything but environmentally friendly.