Rolex Waiting List

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this is my first post anywhere, so go easy on me.

Target acquired.






Lol we all share your frustration dude. Here's my $0.02

For double and triple the msrp on a SS model, why not go buy a REALLY nice vintage Speedy or a Tudor Sub or a whole handful of really great watches that you might like besides the Rolex?

This way you've diversified your risk, established a collection, and given yourself a nice set of options for different occasions.

Would I love a Rolex? Sure. Am I willing to buy into their crap? Absolutely not.
 
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Just got back from walking the dog, sitting down, cup of coffee in hand whilst watching Boris was on TV trying to explain why they have decided to place me in tier 3 lockdown from next week when my mobile rings, oh its the Rolex AD, thought that stores were closed - clearly not.

After initial pleasantries the conversation went along the lines of;

Store - Just thought that we would get in touch as the watch that you have expressed an interest in has come in.

Me - Oh, which one?

Store - Well we have you down as being interested in the Submariner, the original no date version, and I have one in my hand that you can have.

Me - Ah, thats a problem.

Store - Why, is this not a good time for you to buy one?

Me - No, nothing like that, you sold me one back in September, in fact it was you and I that discussed me collecting it a week after the call as I was away on holiday.

Store - Haha, yes I remember that, recognise your voice now as well, did you pick the Submariner up?

Me - Yes, I came in the following week and collected it, so if you have other people on your list you can phone one of them and make them happy this evening.

Store - Thanks for being honest, yes I'll do that. Let me just check what you are after, a BLRO and a Milgauss, is that right.

Me - Yes, that is what I am after at the moment

Store - Okay, we'll be in touch, sorry to have troubled you.

My store is within the Watches of Switzerland group so someone somewhere got a call that made them happy, or at least I hope that has happened.

Just thought that I would share this little bit of information.
 
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Took me 18 months to get my BLRO, it came in last week.

I was completely single minded about what I wanted and turned down an SD last summer which in some ways may have helped.

UK AD and I have a good relationship with my long term contact at the local AD. We genuinely get on very well and enjoy a good chat about watches when we meet up. I have previously picked up a CHNR and JC from this AD, both with a 4 week wait so I would echo some of the comments above with the proviso that this is very much the exception not the rule and the inconsistency is understandably building resentment and frustration amongst those that desire these watches.
 
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Took me 18 months to get my BLRO, it came in last week.

I was completely single minded about what I wanted and turned down an SD last summer which in some ways may have helped.

UK AD and I have a good relationship with my long term contact at the local AD. We genuinely get on very well and enjoy a good chat about watches when we meet up. I have previously picked up a CHNR and JC from this AD, both with a 4 week wait so I would echo some of the comments above with the proviso that this is very much the exception not the rule and the inconsistency is understandably building resentment and frustration amongst those that desire these watches.

Congratulations on the BLRO, a long wait but I am sure it will be worth it.

Your comments on the AD/Customer relationship is spot on, my relationship is great and will hopefully get me the watches I am after.
 
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I thought I would post an update on my experience with special ordering from the AD. Order was placed mid September and I was told that it should arrive before the end of the year. SA called me to collect the piece two days ago. So, about two months from order to arrival.

It probably helped that this piece isn't on everyone's list as well as the fact that it's the only one I expressed wishing to purchase.

P.S. I'm really digging this watch and impressed with how comfortable it is!
 
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Nice pic and congratulations on the JC.

Hope those pebbles are nice and smooth 😲
 
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Hello everyone. I’m new to the world of fine watches, and this is my first post anywhere, so go easy on me.
My conclusion is that it will be better for my emotional and financial state to hold my nose, go on eBay or the grey market, and pay the 20% or more, over retail, and buy the new Rolex that I am in love with. Today. Hear me out.

I found out the state of affairs the usual way. I call an AD. Do you have the watch that I want? No? Any idea when you might get one? No? Can I get my name on the wait list? There is no wait list? This simply can’t be.....but yet it is.
First, the financial aspect. I am generally a tightwad, and it infuriates me to see the retail price on the Rolex website, and then look on auction sites, forums, or the grey market, and see prices substantially higher to actually get my hands on one. But my choices are limited. If I want to buy one at an AD, and not pay over retail, the only real option is to establish a relationship with them. But this is a false economy, and let’s call it what it is. “Establishing a relationship” generally means that you will buy a number of luxury watches that you don’t want as much as the Rolex, at full retail price, over the course of years, for the possibility that they may eventually get the watch that you want most. This will likely cost tens of thousands of dollars. Yes, we all have plenty of watches that we want to buy anyway, but you will generally not get the best price all the time at one AD.
Of course the ADs are on board with this arrangement. They can reap years of business while promising nothing in return.
So in plain dollars and cents, I don’t think the “relationship” with the AD is a money saving proposition.

In terms of emotional cost, what is it worth to spend years scouring the internet and going to dealers (authorized and not) in hope of coming across that one watch at RP. I’m all for delayed gratification, and maybe eventually things will turn around and supply will meet or exceed demand. But how long do I really want to torture myself.

Anyway that’s how I see it. The hard truth is that market value for many Rolexes is above RP. This doesn’t happen much in any marketplace, which is why it rubs us the wrong way. But if you want to have that one watch now, it may be best to just buy it at the price that the market demands, and I doubt you will regret it.

Thanks for reading, and like I say, I’m new, so if you veterans can enlighten me on anything, I’d appreciate it.
Try a few ADs you might get lucky
 
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Purchased a 2006 Explorer from Swiss Watch Expo in Atlanta. It arrived looking like new and keeps time better than any of my Omega watches (PO8500, SMP2500C, SMP2500D). I also love the 36mm size on my 6.75" wrist and it's been a nice change from my thicker Omegas. There are a lot of really nice used Rolex watches on the market. Some people, like my wife, only wear her Rolex occasionally because she prefers her Apple Watch as a daily. Try to find one in great shape and avoid the AD BS.
 
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I would shop the used market for an older model complete and in excellent condition. Not worth the time and energy to source a new SS sports model at the moment.
 
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I have pretty much given up on rolex because of this issue. Like i always tell the sales associate, what am i going to do with 8 different Datejusts?! As much as i understand that there is a need for them to stay profitable, I believe in buying what i like - and if they can't sell me what i like from the outset, it is hard to establish a relationship with them.

At the end of the day, this is a classic "chicken and egg" problem... in any case, I wish you the best of luck - hopefully you'll find the right AD in your jurisdiction.
 
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It’s interesting reading your replies and as many have pointed out, it comes down to luck and good relations with your AD, but I reckon mostly luck.

End of last year I decided to pick up my first luxury timepiece and browsed through the Rolex catalogue. I didn’t check price, just which model appealed to me. Of course I was well aware of the sub, but had no inclination to purchase such a mass produced piece, despite being my favorite. Wanted my first to be special and unique.

My love for Motorsports and racing brought me to the redesigned AirKing. I called several ADs and was told no way, no previous history, no supply, never gonna happen short of a deposit and long waiting list. Well, finally one AD checked his stock allocation and discovered one coming in. I placed a deposit as they had a fairly concrete window for delivery and less than two weeks later I was wearing it. Right before Christmas.

At the time, I was obviously very excited and appreciative of the experience. Said I would consider a Milgauss or no date Sub. Less than a month later, I get the call for a sub and the Milgauss. I turned them down as I didn’t anticipate such a quick turn, but that’s really my point. There’s no logic here. Just dumb luck.

I’m on a waitlist for the 2021 no date. And I’m ready to pull the trigger tomorrow on FOIS, so hopefully I have a little breathing room. I’ve been told maybe end of 2021 for the no date.

TRF has long threads on this very topic and no answer seems to be the same. In fact, some have purchased Daytona’s with zero previous history .. relatively recently, and some have spent 250k+ without seeing one yet. Go figure.

Wishing you luck in 2021!
 
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Yeah, given all the various threads, it seems to come down to your relationship with the AD, unless you're very lucky. I've been eyeing an Explorer I and GMT for a long time as well. It's just that I don't want to support these practices. I've seen people being laughed out of the store for inquiring a Rolex Sub. I mean, these are potential customers willing to spend about 10k. How can you act that way?

Even though I'm on a waiting list, I was so disappointed by the demeanour and arrogance of several of my ADs that I decided not to buy my Omega in one of their stores, but online via Omega itself. I might have missed a decent discount, but if I don't change my practices, how can I expect the ADs to change theirs?
 
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There are good AD's and bad AD's, sometimes the same dealer can be both, and that is down to how we the potential buyer approach the buying a Rolex 'Sport' watch scenario. A buyer who takes time to build a relationship with the store is more likely to get a watch than one who just walks in off the street expecting to get what they want without making any effort.

Don't get me wrong, there are poor AD's and SA's out there but our perception of whether they are good or bad could simply be down to how we have interacted with them.

And, there are exceptions, sometimes it is simply luck, being in the right place at the right time.
 
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There are good AD's and bad AD's, sometimes the same dealer can be both, and that is down to how we the potential buyer approach the buying a Rolex 'Sport' watch scenario. A buyer who takes time to build a relationship with the store is more likely to get a watch than one who just walks in off the street expecting to get what they want without making any effort.

Don't get me wrong, there are poor AD's and SA's out there but our perception of whether they are good or bad could simply be down to how we have interacted with them.

And, there are exceptions, sometimes it is simply luck, being in the right place at the right time.


It’s a store, you should be able to go in and buy stuff. Do you build relationships with the guy at the petrol/gas station, your local green grocer or your local supermarket. Should you have to......
Luck..... never needed luck to buy sausages or Broccoli.

I don’t jump through hoops for no body. Stuff Rolex.
Lucky Omega and anyone else that wants my money.
 
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I’m on a waitlist for the 2021 no date.

2021 no date? 👎

meaning, in 2020 you weren’t yet ready to buy the 2020 no date, so you’ll try to buy one in 2021 instead?
 
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It’s a store, you should be able to go in and buy stuff. Do you build relationships with the guy at the petrol/gas station, your local green grocer or your local supermarket. Should you have to......
Luck..... never needed luck to buy sausages or Broccoli.

I don’t jump through hoops for no body. Stuff Rolex.
Lucky Omega and anyone else that wants my money.

Actually you do build a relationship with the guy at the petrol station, a while back the UK had a fuel strike, I had been a regular at the local petrol station for years, knew staff very well, as a result I had fuel whenever I needed it, and he allowed the company I worked for to fill up their vehicles so we could keep our business going, so yeh building a relationship helps.

But I agree with you, I won't jump through hoops to get a watch and so far I haven't had to, but having spent so little at the AD compared to many getting the new Sub 3 weeks after launch has to come down to something as many are still waiting.

Anyway no more Rolex for me, I have the two watches I want, next up 3861 Sapphire.

Oh, one question - what's a greengrocer? 😉
 
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It’s a store, you should be able to go in and buy stuff. Do you build relationships with the guy at the petrol/gas station, your local green grocer or your local supermarket. Should you have to......
Luck..... never needed luck to buy sausages or Broccoli.

I don’t jump through hoops for no body. Stuff Rolex.
Lucky Omega and anyone else that wants my money.
I see it differently. I understand long-term relationships and that these customers have preference when it comes to certain models. No customer willing to spend 10k should be ridiculed though. And here lies the problem with Rolex. The ADs selling the sought after models to the same clients over and over again. Even to grey dealers. Heating up the market further.
 
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2021 no date? 👎

meaning, in 2020 you weren’t yet ready to buy the 2020 no date, so you’ll try to buy one in 2021 instead?

That’s correct, but it was the 40mm when it was offered.