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djmusicman
·So...
These repros have already started to trickle down through the auction houses.
Not surprisingly, Antiqourum...
Good catch, that misplaced dot near 140 is a dead giveaway once you've noticed it. I'm sure this seller "didn't know" either, same as the last one.
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Spacefruit
··Prolific Speedmaster HoarderWell since I bought that AQ watch it’s going back. I wonder if it will be a fight?
Here it is compared to a one owner example.
I am embarrassed to say I did not spot it until it was pointed out to me after I was showing off on IG. That will teach me.
In my defense at the time of sale I had not yet seen one of these.
Trouble is what will we do if they correct the tell?
Here it is compared to a one owner example.
I am embarrassed to say I did not spot it until it was pointed out to me after I was showing off on IG. That will teach me.
In my defense at the time of sale I had not yet seen one of these.
Trouble is what will we do if they correct the tell?
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MaiLollo
·Well since I bought that AQ watch it’s going back. I wonder if it will be a fight?
Here it is compared to a one owner example.
I am embarrassed to say I did not spot it until it was pointed out to me after I was showing off on IG. That will teach me.
In my defense at the time of sale I had not yet seen one of these.
Trouble is what will we do if they correct the tell?
I guess that now, being aware of the fake's level of detail, I guess we're all going to apply much more scrutiny to each watch we'll be looking at
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w154
·This looks ominous. Someone’s putting in a lot of time to tune these to be almost perfect, so I’m guessing that they’ll eventually be VERY hard to distinguish from correct originals. I don’t mind repro parts in general, but the target should be perfect except for one tell, not just perfect.
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Varnado
·Maybe if you guys started a private facebook group or something that wasn't posted all over the internet for the counterfeiters to improve upon, then the fake DON's would be much easier to spot. If you guys continue to post macro photo fonts and show the discrepancies to the fakers then you will never be the cat and will always be the mouse..
NOTE: the dot placement above the 140 has already been corrected on subsequent revisions. This is an older counterfeit DON, the new ones have the dot above 140 closer to the 1 as the genuine does.
NOTE: the dot placement above the 140 has already been corrected on subsequent revisions. This is an older counterfeit DON, the new ones have the dot above 140 closer to the 1 as the genuine does.
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eugeneandresson
·Maybe if you guys started a private facebook group or something that wasn't posted all over the internet
#oxymoron
For all we know, you could be the faker, and because we 'know' you, you would undoubtedly ask for access to said group...
And when you tell us, 'I am not the faker', we will tell you 'Thats what the faker would say' ... so its a pointless tail chasing exercise ...
Trouble is what will we do if they correct the tell?
That is the $$$ question ... Let them think 'ok, we got it', waste cash and time massproducing the next batch ... and then find the next tell ... ?
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djmusicman
·If you guys continue to post macro photo fonts and show the discrepancies to the fakers then you will never be the cat and will always be the mouse..
Don't agree with this, all a faker has to do is copy the original DON 100%. If they went to all the effort of producing a batch of reproductions then they would have seen the error. The dots on the originals aren't moving around 😁
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Varnado
·Eugene: the group would be headed by a known collector like Spacefruit. Members would only be admitted by reference or multiple references, so it would not be easy to gain access to the group.
DJ: Dont you think the original fakers did just that? They took a perfect DON and essentially scanned it. The problem is that even perfect DON's have variations, perhaps a nick here or there or an out of round dot, for example. In this case, the artist replaced the dot over 140 in a general location because it probably didnt pull up clearly from the scan and was re-done. Luckily it was re-done slightly off point so we all caught it. The new ones have the dot moved to the proper location so that is no longer the tell.
I still know a tell in the current version that lets me know it isnt genuine, but I'll be G-D Damned if you think I'm gonna post it on the Omega Forums.. Just be careful out there, when they look this perfect that's a tell right there..
DJ: Dont you think the original fakers did just that? They took a perfect DON and essentially scanned it. The problem is that even perfect DON's have variations, perhaps a nick here or there or an out of round dot, for example. In this case, the artist replaced the dot over 140 in a general location because it probably didnt pull up clearly from the scan and was re-done. Luckily it was re-done slightly off point so we all caught it. The new ones have the dot moved to the proper location so that is no longer the tell.
I still know a tell in the current version that lets me know it isnt genuine, but I'll be G-D Damned if you think I'm gonna post it on the Omega Forums.. Just be careful out there, when they look this perfect that's a tell right there..
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djmusicman
·The 140 isn't the only tell, all of the dots are slightly out of place from 200 to 130. It's just most noticeable on the 140.
Are you referering to this one as the current version? Lots of mistakes but I don't think anyone would miss the dot over ninety being in the wrong place, it's the first thing we look at.
Are you referering to this one as the current version? Lots of mistakes but I don't think anyone would miss the dot over ninety being in the wrong place, it's the first thing we look at.
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Varnado
·I don't have a timeline of which revision of fake is version 1,2 3 etc, but I think this was one of the earliest versions because the dot over 90 was the biggest issue which got corrected. Then the dot over 140 got corrected. This is not the current version/revision.
Funny thing, even when they correct one problem, they often introduce a different one.
Funny thing, even when they correct one problem, they often introduce a different one.
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djmusicman
·Can you show a picture of the one you are talking about? I don't think it's been mentionned yet. I remember this one from ebay but it's the worst of the lot:
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gdupree
·Damn, yall... It's tough to know how much info to share, but IMO sharing knowledge is all we have left. If the mod's don't think it should be here, they can make that decision.
The closer you look, the more tells there are. Check these gifs... The placement of "275" strongly jumps out, as well as the overall placement of many elements as others have mentioned. I still don't know if I could point most of these differences out without a direct comp like this, so it would still be very tough to recognize this in the field. But, our due-diligence efforts will simply have to be increased. Obviously this is only comparing a small sample (one fake to two real), and we may not know exactly how consistent the fakes are.
The closer you look, the more tells there are. Check these gifs... The placement of "275" strongly jumps out, as well as the overall placement of many elements as others have mentioned. I still don't know if I could point most of these differences out without a direct comp like this, so it would still be very tough to recognize this in the field. But, our due-diligence efforts will simply have to be increased. Obviously this is only comparing a small sample (one fake to two real), and we may not know exactly how consistent the fakes are.
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eugeneandresson
·the group would be headed by a known collector like Spacefruit. Members would only be admitted by reference or multiple references, so it would not be easy to gain access to the group.
Fat lot of good that will do : so only a select few get to learn, and the fakers in anycase get to peddle their wares to the rest of the folk/noobs ... I am all for community service, and I am pretty certain most other folks here are too...
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wsfarrell
·I still know a tell in the current version that lets me know it isnt genuine, but I'll be G-D Damned if you think I'm gonna post it on the Omega Forums
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ndgal
·And to seriously think that if someone wants to make a really good fake they need the forums or discussion groups?
They can buy a real one for 3-4K and take all the measurements, pictures, and scans needed and then re-sell it...
They can buy a real one for 3-4K and take all the measurements, pictures, and scans needed and then re-sell it...
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Caliber561
·Can you show a picture of the one you are talking about? I don't think it's been mentionned yet. I remember this one from ebay but it's the worst of the lot:
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watchyouwant
·You need to get over yourself. People have been faking every part of Rolexes for decades, and I've never seen anyone on a Rolex forum saying "Well, I know how to spot a fake, but I'm not telling." Rolex experts discuss real vs. fake in excruciating detail. Spreading knowledge is always better than suppressing knowledge. It's what got us out of the Dark Ages. The post that might help one faker also helps 100 experts; this is a good thing.
Yes and No. Rolex MilSubs and their parts are very closely held secrets. some have the numbers list. most have nothing. that paves the way for very few Rolex Guys, to buy these with whatever modifications have been done later. and having the parts helps as well. but we talk about 50. 000 Pound watches...... kind regards. achim
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PeterMizzi
·Can you guys tell me what stands out on this bezel to make it a reproduction.
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