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LeonDeBayonne
·Beyond speculation and dubious aesthetics, what's the interest of this watch? Made for the RAID forces but not worn by them?
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Pun
·Beyond speculation and dubious aesthetics, what's the interest of this watch? Made for the RAID forces but not worn by them?
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LeonDeBayonne
·Only a part made it to the RAID (do you know many police officers willing to pay 6 K€ for a watch?) The rest is being sold to civilians who have as much affiliation to the RAID as I do with the Marines. If only the design had been of any interest…
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·Only a part made it to the RAID (do you know many police officers willing to pay 6 K€ for a watch?) The rest is being sold to civilians who have as much affiliation to the RAID as I do with the Marines. If only the design had been of any interest…
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PhilF
·Admittedly a Speedmaster fan, I prefer the standard Hesalite as my standard of evaluation, I do own a 38mm as a daily driver. That being a given, the ONLY special edition of of the 42mm Speedy that has a different face/ hands that is on my want list is a Silver Snoopy. I am looking forward with some interest to the Apollo XIII 50th, other than being the first watch worn on the moon, the XIII mission was a defining usage where the Speedmaster was used to save, not only the day, but the mission and the crew. Judging by the prices I've seen on Silver Snoopys, seems like others here value this one as well, it's not only very interesting but incorporates some humor.
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whitewolf777
·The watch does not get much love, but it looks great in person. It is quite overpriced, but might turn up. to be one of the most limited stainless steel speedies
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerJust out of interest, I looked up the serial number of the one shown in the OP, and it comes up as just a regular Speedmaster.
Serial number: 78856681
Article ref: 31130423001005
No special hands or case back shown. This would seem to back up the idea that this was done by someone other than Omega themselves, and for me it would raise questions about what would happen at service. Would Omega put regular Speedmaster hands on the watch? Do they even have a supply of the special coloured hands?
Interesting, but not my thing personally.
Cheers, Al
Serial number: 78856681
Article ref: 31130423001005
No special hands or case back shown. This would seem to back up the idea that this was done by someone other than Omega themselves, and for me it would raise questions about what would happen at service. Would Omega put regular Speedmaster hands on the watch? Do they even have a supply of the special coloured hands?
Interesting, but not my thing personally.
Cheers, Al
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kov
·This RAID thing reminds me of this :
Very legit concerns and I would bet that the answer is no. As it was certainly just a small made to order batch of parts. Or eventually they will route you to Antoine de Macedo to have the replacement parts from their leftovers, if any still available.
it would raise questions about what would happen at service. Would Omega put regular Speedmaster hands on the watch? Do they even have a supply of the special coloured hands?
Very legit concerns and I would bet that the answer is no. As it was certainly just a small made to order batch of parts. Or eventually they will route you to Antoine de Macedo to have the replacement parts from their leftovers, if any still available.
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stuart70
·Gosh, I have not seen the many of the 1970 ‘Flower Power’ LE’s only 7970 produced. I still see the flippers are still trying to make 200% on these! However, I do treasure mine.
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Dale Vito
·Just out of interest, I looked up the serial number of the one shown in the OP, and it comes up as just a regular Speedmaster.
Serial number: 78856681
Article ref: 31130423001005
No special hands or case back shown. This would seem to back up the idea that this was done by someone other than Omega themselves, and for me it would raise questions about what would happen at service. Would Omega put regular Speedmaster hands on the watch? Do they even have a supply of the special coloured hands?
Interesting, but not my thing personally.
Cheers, Al
Cheers,
D
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerFalse. It is made by Omega. The numbers are 31130423001007 / 7612586298653 (though I am of course not sure why this wouldn't pop up for the one posted). This includes the colored hands (like the French flag-themed seconds counter, 066WPZ008494).
Cheers,
D
The serial number for the one shown in the first post simply brings up a regular Speedmaster as I've said - that is certainly not false.
If it was made by Omega I would expect the serial number to bring up the correct reference number, unless the watch shown is a franken or fake of some kind.
As I said in the other thread, the number given in the other thread 311.30.30.42.30.01.007 comes up as "no results found" on the Extranet. But it appears that is not the correct number, because the number you give above works and indeed it the this bug killer LE version. It does show the special hands - interesting that only one hand (the seconds recording hand) has to be ordered by sending back the original, so the other hands can be ordered and put on another Speedmaster. Wouldn't take much to paint a regular Speedmaster seconds recording hand to make it look like the LE hand.
Cheers, Al
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Dale Vito
·I have already noted and agreed to the fact that the serial does indeed point to a regular Moonwatch in my earlier comment.
However the assumption that this RAID edition is some kind of custom bodge job is simply incorrect.
However the assumption that this RAID edition is some kind of custom bodge job is simply incorrect.
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pIoNeErOfThEnILe
·This RAID thing reminds me of this :
Very legit concerns and I would bet that the answer is no. As it was certainly just a small made to order batch of parts. Or eventually they will route you to Antoine de Macedo to have the replacement parts from their leftovers, if any still available.
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerI have already noted and agreed to the fact that the serial does indeed point to a regular Moonwatch in my earlier comment.
However the assumption that this RAID edition is some kind of custom bodge job is simply incorrect.
Okay, let's be clear. I've never suggested this is any sort of "bodge job" so that assertion is completely untrue.
What was stated previously is that these were made in cooperation with Omega, where Omega supplied the parts to a dealer, and the dealer did the work. This has been done in the past apparently (the Apollo-Soyuz LE comes to mind as one that was done this way from what people have said), so it's certainly not out of the realm of possibility. The fact that the serial number pulls up a regular Speedmaster reference, and not the LE reference certainly supports that these were converted from regular watches.
If you know of other serial numbers that pull up the LE reference, then please supply them, and I'll check. When buying an Omega LE it is always important to check that the serial number corresponds with the LE reference, as that is how you would tell a proper LE from someone making a conversion. If all of these pull up a regular Speedmaster reference, then it doesn't make sense that these were done at Omega.
You have stated that this dealer idea is false, so can you please explain how you know this is false? Are you somehow involved with this watch as a dealer, or do you work for Omega, or do you just own one? Do you have some evidence that these were made by Omega, and not done by a dealer?
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Dale Vito
·Hell Archer,
Thank you for your reply.
I think we've now established that this is an existing reference with it's own unique SKU. So that's great.
If you have reason to believe the unique hands, case back, and medaillion on the box were all mounted by the dealer and their watchmakers, that's perfectly fine by me. I however don't find that theoryvery convincing at all.
As to why the specimen in the OP does not show up as a RAID edition (which confirm, it does not, double-checked myself), I am not sure.
FWIW I think we might have a slight misunderstanding here. I was under the impression that you doubted the existence of this watch (as in, official, documented piece coming from Omega) entirely, partly based on the errornous reference number provided by the folks at Moonwatch Only.
Hope this helps,
D
Thank you for your reply.
I think we've now established that this is an existing reference with it's own unique SKU. So that's great.
If you have reason to believe the unique hands, case back, and medaillion on the box were all mounted by the dealer and their watchmakers, that's perfectly fine by me. I however don't find that theoryvery convincing at all.
As to why the specimen in the OP does not show up as a RAID edition (which confirm, it does not, double-checked myself), I am not sure.
FWIW I think we might have a slight misunderstanding here. I was under the impression that you doubted the existence of this watch (as in, official, documented piece coming from Omega) entirely, partly based on the errornous reference number provided by the folks at Moonwatch Only.
Hope this helps,
D
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerIf you have reason to believe the unique hands, case back, and medaillion on the box were all mounted by the dealer and their watchmakers, that's perfectly fine by me. I however don't find that theoryvery convincing at all.
I base that on these posts:
Actually I believe they rather are a custom assembly by a French boutique Antoine De Macedo who got some custom parts from Omega to make it happen 😉
At least one of them was already on sale on Chrono24 😀
The project was indeed initiated at Antoine de Macedo in Paris. I was told that the original project was a bit more ambitious than just coloured small hands, a coloured second hand and a plain back. I also was told that the idea was to have a different strap from the coloured Nato (one cannot imagine special forces wearing that on the field).
And the fact that the only serial number I have checked for one of these, pulls up a regular Speedmaster reference, strongly suggesting it was converted from a regular watch.
So if you have evidence to refute this, please present it thanks. If you are not able to present evidence, then I think saying this idea is "false" is overplaying your beliefs just a bit too much...
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Dale Vito
·Hello Archer,
Thank you for your reply. If you believe these are conversions done from a standard Moonwatch that is perfectly fine by me.
Thank you for your reply. If you believe these are conversions done from a standard Moonwatch that is perfectly fine by me.
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerHello Archer,
Thank you for your reply. If you believe these are conversions done from a standard Moonwatch that is perfectly fine by me.
Not saying they are or aren't. For me the jury is out, but again if you have evidence they are not, I would be happy to see it.
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