No problem... since I took a little shortcut (also due to a mistake from my side when I typed 2021 in lieu of 2020!!) I will indeed clarify:
- I do believe it is established that the 31xx is a workhorse by now as it has been perfected over nearly two decades, but perhaps @Archer could also chime in if this is true. I would not be quite surprised given the large numbers produced, and despite the very strict tolerances, that every so often, a movement may have some challenges.
- may be as expected, the very first 32xx movements produced starting in 2017/2018 may have a slightly higher incidence of performance issues which seem to take two to three years to develop.
- whether Rolex has already had a chance to work these kinks out by last year, 2020, when I got my version of the DeepSea fitted with the 32xx remains to be seen.

All in all, do we think that it may take another couple of years before all the initial learnings with the 32xx have been gathered or not?

Just curious what the sentiment is.

 

Translation: "Please go away because I don't want to deal with what is an obvious problems right now, and I hope that when it fails next time you will take it to someone else."

 

Movements are updated throughout their life, at least if the company is doing things properly. Early adopters are beta testers...but you pay full price for the privilege.

The 32XX have known issues, as do the Tudor GMT movements, as does the 3861 early production...they will get sorted eventually.

 

Reminds me of a job I had once where I consistently got in trouble for taking the time to resolve the customers' issues/requests in one, longer phone call. Looking through the customer notes, I could see they had called several times and just passed on to the next person and the next person, nobody ever resolving the issue (I guess until it got to me) or maybe only resolving one of several issues. I didn't last long there... I quit because I couldn't stand to operate that way.
Edit: To clarify, I couldn't stand to operate in the employer's method of passing a person along - I thought my way was more efficient.

 

Are the quality and supply issues related?

 

I own several rolex watches, never had an issue whatsoever, and never had one services either. I had one of the first GMT Tudor which I wore daily for about a year, no issues whatsoever. However I sold an almost brand new Harrods Tudor a couple of weeks ago, and the gentleman who bought it told me his watch stopped in the middle of the night. Of course it is still under warranty, and it may be completely circumstantial, but maybe there might be issues from time to time.

 

I agree 100%.

 

The Daytonas use the 4130 movement, which is ~30y/o. The issues brought up here are only in regard to the 32XX. It's possible that *might* be affecting production, but supposedly Rolex hasn't made any moves to fix the teething issues on the 32XX series, according to a RSC watchmaker on TRF.

 

The 3035 series only lasted what, 10 years maybe? In contrast the 3135 series lasted from 1988 up until recently. Companies don't discontinue a new movement after 10 years for no real reason...

 

I agree that the watch press is basically a fanbase so they are not critical of the watch manufacturers. They let the comments sections serve that function but many self-censor. Why piss off Mr Stern and Mr Stern while you wait for your unicorn watch?

For my N of 1 experiment, I had two IWC watches that both needed service under warranty for running fast. One was a Mark XV with the modified ETA movement. The other was their in house automatic (for a 2011 Ingenieur). For a 2014 aquanaut, I had it serviced in the first year and HSNY said there was debris in the case. They fixed it fast. It also needed servicing after 5y for running fast. My Calatrava of similar age run fine and has not needed servicing. My oldest Omega Speedy Pro from 2014 is working just fine.

For a 1990s GMT-II (U series), the movement needed servicing after 10 years, and then again after 5 years.