Private sales...member comments.

janice&fred · Dec 31, 2019

BlackTalon
That is because 95% of the people coming to the site for the first time want to know what a watch they just found or were given is worth, and where to sell it. This is a forum for collectors, not a drive-through valuation service.

ok i hear you but who is in charge of determining whether 95% is accurate and why paint all new people coming to the site with that same brush? I get your feeling on it but everyone starts somewhere in this hobby so who's to say which new people will end up sticking around and develop an interest? wouldn't it be better to give everyone the benefit of the doubt and be pleasant? answering a few questions on a watch is no big deal and I would think most here enjoy doing that. personally I like seeing people post questions because if I can't help I can learn from the answers posted.

Dan S · Dec 31, 2019

BlackTalon
That is because 95% of the people coming to the site for the first time want to know what a watch they just found or were given is worth, and where to sell it. This is a forum for collectors, not a drive-through valuation service.

Maybe we could start a new sub-forum entitled "Drive-through Valuation Service" that all the collectors agree to ignore. ::stirthepot::

Could be entertaining. 😁

jsducote · Dec 31, 2019

Dan S
I think the moderators take a nuanced view of comments in the sales section, and evaluate them on a case-by-case basis. Some conversations are allowed to continue, while others may be removed. This shows some courage on the part of the moderators, since they will inevitably take some heat for certain decisions. The decisions are not always self-consistent, but they do a very good job on balance. IMO it's better than a rigid rule that bans any comments.

This should have been the end of the discussion. Fact-based comments are, on the whole, allowed, within the reasonable judgement of mods. Opinions are, rightfully IMHO, given very little leeway. This has worked in the past and there's no reason to believe it won't continue to work.

Shabbaz · Dec 31, 2019

janice&fred
well this all started with you over my very vocal objection to how some new-to-the-hobby posters get treated when they first join this site looking for info on a watch. if you really feel so strongly then take this to the forum staff and see how they feel. like I say i'm no stranger to watch forums and would hazard to guess have been a participating member on many of them longer than you have been on this site...so your "10 minutes" comment means zilch. for forums to thrive as well as the hobby, new people to the hobby should be encouraged not run off.
so...what's the healthier attitude? welcome newbies to the hobby or call others names? you don't like me? it is what it is my friend so get over it.

I aprreciate what you're trying to say. But where did that 'new collector' go after the advice. I even did'nt hear any thanks. We get these thousend of times a year. Get advice and run. So all OF is asking is a bit of a intoduction, a specific question and a thank you after. It's called courtesy. And @Archer is one of the most helpfull members on OF. If you send him a PM he always help. So saying he's not a peoples guy, that's just plain wrong.

Walrus · Dec 31, 2019

janice&fred
you know Al sometimes you are impossible to stay angry with 😁

Actually Molly Hatchet pisses me off

janice&fred
you know Al sometimes you are impossible to stay angry with 😁

well the best watchmaker pissed me off with molly hatchet

janice&fred · Dec 31, 2019

Shabbaz
I aprreciate what you're trying to say. But where did that 'new collector' go after the advice. I even did'nt hear any thanks.

I recall it differently. i'm not sure about the "thanks" part so I will have to go take another look. however the new guy i'm thinking of was quite appreciative. I think he was from Belgium?

Shabbaz
saying he's not a peoples guy, that's just plain wrong.

wouldn't be the first time. just ask my wife.

look I get all you guys circling the wagons and that's commendable but if I voice my opinion in newbie threads that they should be treated nicer perhaps there may be some merit to it. none of you have a gun held to your head to respond or answer them if you don't want to.

ilayd · Dec 31, 2019

I think the long term members have a great knack at figuring out and seeing who is genuinely interested in learning versus those who are too lazy to do their own basic research and want the forum to do it for them.

I am a newbie here... even though I've been a member for over a year and I have never felt that I was talked down to, or mistreated. And going back to some of my older posts (questions) I've asked, I would dope slap myself now... but the members must have seen that even though its the same questions they've seen hundreds of times, that I was genuinely intrigued by the information and wanted to learn. That probably was evident because I first attempted to learn and get the info myself... and then post here and confirm if what I found was correct.

To add to that, I had even PM'ed Al with a questions regarding my newly acquired watch, and he was kind enough to take the time and respond back with some very useful information. This is considering he did not sell me the watch, nor was I a customer of his services. On top of that, I was still a new member who wasn't even contributing much to the forum... but I got a response, and a detailed one.

The only times I've seen long term members being short with newbies is when they ask the same questions that had been discuses ad nauseam and with no attempt to look first, or just posting for a valuation, without even bothering to read the instructions how to do it properly. That second one even bugs me (and only after 1 year)... if you want us to tell you what your watch is, you need more than one blurry pic and a "I just got this from my uncle, what kind is it? And how much is it worth?"

Walrus · Dec 31, 2019

Who cares I’ve been on the same boxing forum for twenty years. In the end it doesn’t matter much. It’s like real life, you deal with all kinds of people

JwRosenthal · Dec 31, 2019

We do all start somewhere, some have been at this a while- some are new to the hobby and are excited to ask questions and get involved- hence get diarrhea of the keyboard. As I stated earlier in this thread, I had a rocky start here- I was accused of post farming (despite already having 400+ at the time and have only sold one watch which was for a fund raiser) was ridiculed by some veteran members and told to stay in my lane. Some of these same people have become friends- it is like life, we are people, with personality and biases and occasionally we will bump heads. If the world were always polite it would be boring- but it should always be respectful.
Back to the topic- if you don’t have something nice or constructive to say about a sales posting- keep it to yourself. If you have a concern with a sales posting, PM the seller and then the mods- it’s that simple.

janice&fred · Dec 31, 2019

JwRosenthal
We do all start somewhere, some have been at this a while- some are new to the hobby and are excited to ask questions and get involved- hence get diarrhea of the keyboard. As I stated earlier in this thread, I had a rocky start here- I was accused of post farming (despite already having 400+ at the time and have only sold one watch which was for a fund raiser) was ridiculed by some veteran members and told to stay in my lane. Some of these same people have become friends- it is like life, we are people, with personality and biases and occasionally we will bump heads. If the world were always polite it would be boring- but it should always be respectful.
Back to the topic- if you don’t have something nice or constructive to say about a sales posting- keep it to yourself. If you have a concern with a sales posting, PM the seller and then the mods- it’s that simple.

I can go along with this. a bit less suspicion toward newly signed up people could go a long way towards friendly interaction. even more so with newbies asking questions or evaluations on a watch. so what if the intention is to gain info on value so the watch can be sold? if it wasn't for people selling their vintage watches then none of us would have collections. the same goes for this negative connotation some have toward selling in general, and the "post farming" accusations thrown around. I have been accused by two members of this, and the notion is ridiculous. my wife and I have been long standing members of quite a few watch forums for over 10 years where we have bought and sold, and could much easier move watches on those forms if we were so inclined, so what would be the advantage of going thru all the hassle of building up post count to list them here?

yes back on topic. there are many people selling watches on this site. some probably as their main source of income. some of these same members know a lot about their craft and have answered many questions by enthusiasts. they like watches too. my opinion is yes I think the rules on posting comments in the sales section might be a bit loose. could be the rule to contact a moderator rather than post negative comments might also be regarded by those so inclined as loose too. I think this was recently proven on an ad for a universal.

anyways just like you, I have had a rocky start here while members get used to my style and I theirs. no biggie for me and I enjoy this forum very much. I think in the long run we can all settle in and get along famously. just takes a bit of patience and time 😁

aap · Dec 31, 2019

Walrus
Who cares I’ve been on the same boxing forum for twenty years. In the end it doesn’t matter much. It’s like real life, you deal with all kinds of people

There's a forum for boxes?! ::rimshot::

Walrus · Dec 31, 2019

aap
There's a forum for boxes?!

Ya probably wouldn’t surprise me my cat like to sit in boxes and she also lays on the keyboard of my computer maybe that’s what she is looking for

aap · Jan 1, 2020

janice&fred
like I say i'm no stranger to watch forums and would hazard to guess have been a participating member on many of them longer than you have been on this site...so your "10 minutes" comment means zilch. for forums to thrive as well as the hobby, new people to the hobby should be encouraged not run off.

janice&fred
ok i hear you but who is in charge of determining whether 95% is accurate and why paint all new people coming to the site with that same brush?

janice&fred
my wife and I have been long standing members of quite a few watch forums for over 10 years where we have bought and sold, and could much easier move watches on those forms if we were so inclined, so what would be the advantage of going thru all the hassle of building up post count to list them here?

You keep mentioning your experience in other fora and even discount some of this forum's long-standing members. Some people already told you that OF has its ways, that it self-regulates and has managed well for these past several years. OF is a haven for people who are tired or not interested in the typical ways of other fora. It has grown into its own culture we all love. So instead of forcing your ways, maybe you should try to read the air.

janice&fred · Jan 1, 2020

janice&fred
anyways just like you, I have had a rocky start here while members get used to my style and I theirs. no biggie for me and I enjoy this forum very much. I think in the long run we can all settle in and get along famously. just takes a bit of patience and time

I posted the above yesterday and everything's all settled and good.

aap
You keep mentioning your experience in other fora and even discount some of this forum's long-standing members. Some people already told you that OF has its ways, that it self-regulates and has managed well for these past several years. OF is a haven for people who are tired or not interested in the typical ways of other fora. It has grown into its own culture we all love. So instead of forcing your ways, maybe you should try to read the air.

so you're a bit late getting your digs in and i'm not going to take the bait and clutter up this thread any further with this. there's a private message function if you feel you must prolong our differences of opinion. Cheer up and Happy New Year 😁

oinkitt · Jan 1, 2020

Larry S
I agree @OHS, but rules are rules. So in the case I referred to. One LT member took issue. Another member agreed. Seller asked why, provided more pics, and I provided the detail on why we had a problem with the sales post. Another LT member weighed in on his concern re: the new pics. It turned into yet another “what’s correct for the reference SN dial /hands?” discussion. At some point another LT member, not a mod, reminded us all of the rules. For posterity it should have had its own thread on the UG sub forum because it exposed another example of an issue we all knew about with color vs B&W plates in the reference book. We never settled on what the seller had since he pulled the listing.

Nothing is stopping you from opening a thread and discussing it. I sure as hell don't have an issue with it. Happy to supply pictures or whatever you need!!!

Larry S · Jan 1, 2020

oinkitt
Nothing is stopping you from opening a thread and discussing it. I sure as hell don't have an issue with it. Happy to supply pictures or whatever you need!!!

Excellent. Thank you @oinkitt.

oinkitt · Jan 1, 2020

Larry S
Excellent. Thank you @oinkitt.

I am more interested in getting to the truth of the matter. The perceived value of the watch is of little concern to me. I have and have no problem with being corrected when I have made a mistake.
I never claimed, "I'm an expert and everyone else is wrong". I immediately withdrew the item from sale as I felt there was some merit in what other members were saying.
I own around 800 watches but I am NO expert, I learn more every day. If anyone claims they are an expert I immediately know they are full of shit!!!!
I did/do take Umbridge at some members dogpiling and claiming I was intentionally trying to deceive. I note the members who claimed as such were not big enough to withdraw those claims.
I am currently in Bega NSW helping to fight the fires ravaging the area. If "Larry S" hasn't opened a new thread by the time things calm down here I will do so myself.
The shit is really going to hit the fan here on Saturday, its going to make an argument over a dial somewhat inconsequential!!!!
Below is a picture of the main street in Bega at mid-day on Tuesday.

Its really bad down here. The Police are trying to get everyone out... and anyone with any brains would go.

If any members have some spare funds, Im sure the Australian red cross would appreciate a donation!!

Lotus_Eater8815 · Jan 1, 2020

oinkitt
I did/do take Umbridge at some members dogpiling and claiming I was intentionally trying to deceive. I note the members who claimed as such were not big enough to withdraw those claims.

I was one of those who contributed to the comments section. Though I didn’t claim that you were trying to deceive anyone, my comment about the item should have been sent via PM. I apologize for that lapse in judgment.

aap · Jan 1, 2020

oinkitt
I am more interested in getting to the truth of the matter. The perceived value of the watch is of little concern to me. I have and have no problem with being corrected when I have made a mistake.
I never claimed, "I'm an expert and everyone else is wrong". I immediately withdrew the item from sale as I felt there was some merit in what other members were saying.
I own around 800 watches but I am NO expert, I learn more every day. If anyone claims they are an expert I immediately know they are full of shit!!!!
I did/do take Umbridge at some members dogpiling and claiming I was intentionally trying to deceive. I note the members who claimed as such were not big enough to withdraw those claims.
I am currently in Bega NSW helping to fight the fires ravaging the area. If "Larry S" hasn't opened a new thread by the time things calm down here I will do so myself.
The shit is really going to hit the fan here on Saturday, its going to make an argument over a dial somewhat inconsequential!!!!
Below is a picture of the main street in Bega at mid-day on Tuesday.

Its really bad down here. The Police are trying to get everyone out... and anyone with any brains would go.

If any members have some spare funds, Im sure the Australian red cross would appreciate a donation!!

Our thoughts and prayers go to you and everyone there

JwRosenthal · Jan 1, 2020

Stay safe @oinkitt - don’t be a hero and only do what you can and not what you can’t. For most of us, the watch hobby/debates/scrutiny/is a diversion- deal with your real life and know that we are all behind you down there.

Private sales...member comments.

janice&fred

Dan S

jsducote

Shabbaz

Walrus

janice&fred

ilayd

Walrus

JwRosenthal

janice&fred

aap

Walrus

aap

janice&fred

oinkitt

Larry S

oinkitt

Lotus_Eater8815

aap

JwRosenthal

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