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Price tendencies for OMEGA Speedmaster CK 2998-1 Lollipop

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Spacefruit Spacefruit
HQM are fine people but not used to flying in this rare air.

Need to confirm the Geiger reading (although that doesn’t make it 100% as re lumers are perfectly capable of mixing up old material. The fact is that the rest of the watch is so good that I don’t think that will stop a good result at auction.

You have to go with a grown up auction house with international reputation and exposure. Also a house that supports the reproduction of its sales pictures to allow open and frank discussion. So that puts Watches Of Knightsbridge out.

At the moment my vote is Phillips.

As to future value vs today? If anyone gives an opinion on that they are risking looking a bit foolish. But not as bad as John Mcaffe if Bitcoin doesn’t hit $1m by 2020.

And of course people are discussing the lume. It is too good to be true, as is the paint on lollipop - so you have to prove them wrong or put up with the doubt.

Thank you. So I should wait with the sale, until I have ordered a Geiger counter or at least until 2020... 😉

Based on your answers, I realized that I can probably sell only through an auction house, which if necessary also has a Geiger counter (so I can save money 😁).
 
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nerdbedusa nerdbedusa
It is original vintage radium, no doubt. Do I really have to buy a Geiger counter to prove this? 😕

Obviously yes. At least just before I really decide to sell this watch. 😉

Yes, there are dark clouds of doubts as perhaps original vintage radium degenerating so evenly rather not degenerating at all, except developing good heavy patina is too good Sir!!
 
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nerdbedusa nerdbedusa
Thank you. So I should wait with the sale, until I have ordered a Geiger counter or at least until 2020... 😉

Based on your answers, I realized that I can probably sell only through an auction house, which if necessary also has a Geiger counter (so I can save money 😁).
The watch looks fabulous, and the "perfection" of the lume patina seems coherent with the other visible elements (bezel, case, etc.)
However, it wouldn't be the first time that a nice original watch turns out to be not entirely original. I'm sure many collectors would still line up to buy it, but certainety is better than doubt.
Also, this applies if you want to sell privately to a collector. I assume that if you bring the watch to Phillips, they will do the authentication work for you.
 
nerdbedusa
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I would like to thank you for your honest assessments and for bringing in thoughts that did not come to me because I have owned the watch for so many years and (at least) I know that everything is right.

My conclusion from all the posts is probably that the watch is too good to be true. And yet it is true. 😀

So maybe I should keep this "true" beauty and reconsider selling it in 10 or 20 years or so...
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nerdbedusa
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Yes, there are dark clouds of doubts as perhaps original vintage radium degenerating so evenly rather not degenerating at all, except developing good heavy patina is too good Sir!!

Thank you for your serious response. There's always a point of view to everything. You can see dark clouds of doubts or you can enjoy the beauty of things.
 
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Thank you for your serious response. There's always a point of view to everything. You can see dark clouds of doubts or you can enjoy the beauty of things.

yes you can.
until you are being asked to pay 100k+
 
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Gordon Heavyfoot Gordon Heavyfoot
Not a Speedmaster guy but shouldn't a 2998-1 have an oval "O" dial?

There were CK 2998-1 with the second version 2915 dial as well. So you are definitely a "Speedmaster guy", having noticed this detail. 😀

This example with the earlier dial was sold on ebay about 10 or 12 years ago... For about US$ 14k. And it came with box and papers. 😁

What about the radium? 😕😕😕

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But no worries, I'm not going to start a new thread here... 😉
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well I would not sell it
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To be honest, unless I really needed the money, I wouldn't sell either.

@OP: even if you're not THAT big of a collector to justify keeping such a high value item and look at it from a financial perspective, I don't see how the value of such a special watch could go south in the next few years...
 
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nerdbedusa nerdbedusa
There were CK 2998-1 with the second version 2915 dial as well. So you are definitely a "Speedmaster guy", having noticed this detail. 😀

Thanks for the clarification. I enjoy learning about all watches, even models which I don't necessarily choose to own. Beautiful watch you have there. Good luck on the sale if that's the avenue you choose though I suspect luck won't play much of a role in the end. Cheers.
 
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nerdbedusa nerdbedusa
What about the radium? 😕😕😕

Well, once you get your geiger counter you can take pics of it next to BOTH showing the radium 😉
 
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Well, once you get your geiger counter you can take pics of it next to BOTH showing the radium 😉

Gradually, I get the feeling that I only need a Geiger counter to be able to buy vintage watches safely ... Crazy, since so far, I used to use my own eyes (and I do not want to think about what radiation dose my eyes were exposed to)... 😉
 
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Funny, I have the feeling that OP knows quite well the answer to his initial question. 🙄
 
nerdbedusa
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Well, once again thank you to all for the good advice and tips.

In any case I will still provide the Geiger counter proof here. That's - meanwhile - athletic ambition. 😀
 
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kov kov
Funny, I have the feeling that OP knows quite well the answer to his initial question. 🙄

In a certain price range, I already know what it's about. But I was talking about trends and opinions, as I would never sell this watch lightly.

Do you know the answer?
 
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Thank you for you answer. But it seems that this watch was not in comparable condition, while Lollipop and condition make the difference.

True. But this "lesser" example has the correct hour and minute hands more commonly seen on the 2998-1. ::stirthepot::
 
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gemini4 gemini4
True. But this "lesser" example has the correct hour and minute hands more commonly seen on the 2998-1. ::stirthepot::

Do you think the hands on my watch are "incorrect"?
 
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