Possible new 300m spotted on Daniel Craig

padders

I can’t see there being a thinner case unless they use a solid back. I’ve seen nothing to suggest the 8806 is any thinner than the 8800. The date wheel is recessed, not stuck on top. Maybe it is thinner but I don’t think so.

scapa

I had the Trilogy SMP and it was thinner (with solid case). IIRC it had the 8806 and the one in mine was noticeably loud. On balance I preferred other iterations of the design and ended up grabbing the CW "inspired by" take on the big triangle.

A thinner, scaled-down SMP 300 is likely to lose some presence also -- I guess it might make sense as a catalogue addition a la BB54 but my guess is that the current SMP 300m is a very steady seller for Omega, and that a revamped version of the mainstay appears only once sales data indicates that a replacement is required. Still feels like the PO is aimed at a different market.

ErichPryde

The SM300 Trilogy is 14.2mm thick, thicker than the SMP. However, it has a higher domed crystal and a ~2mm shorter lug to lug so it doesn't perhaps feel as thick (and it isn't as bulky).

Regarding the PO, the 39.5mm version is only 14.2mm thick, which man, those proportions are nearly perfect for a 600M Diver.

T tjs1295

The 39.5 PO is very close to being perfect. I wear mine more than anything else. The thickness isn’t that bad, it actually is the proportions that aren’t quite there. 0.5 mm thinner, and 1 mm longer lugs, and we have something.

I think the size of the 39.5 PO is great, but proportions are off. I think the proportions of the Diver 300m are great, but the size is too big. If that makes sense 😀.

A AlyRba

On TRF thread, someone is claiming they met a senior Omega executive at an OB who confirmed that the new Diver 300 is 39mm in size.

A AlyRba

On TRF thread, someone is claiming they met a senior Omega executive at an OB who confirmed that the new Diver 300 is 39mm in size.

Jakeys

Google fu indicates:

First Gen SMP: 11.5 mm
Second Gen SMP: Unchanged?
Third Gen SMPc: 12.8 mm (+11%)
Fourth Gen SMD: 13.6 mm (+18%)

EDIT: I found some references for the first gen that list it at 11.7 mm or 12 mm, but I measured mine with calipers and it corroborated the 11.5 mm source.

502 to right

According to the TRF thread, it's being reported black only for now. Apparently Omega is stealing from Tudor's playbook and is slow playing the release of other colors.

502 to right

I own all these models and here's what I get on my digital calipers (which measures to the 100th of a mm, but I've rounded up or down to the nearest 10th). This is measured from the caseback to the middle of the crystal.

11.2mm - 2541.80 SMP, 1538 quartz movement (Bond wore in GoldenEye)
11.7mm - 2531.80 SMP, 1120 movement (Bond wore in Tomorrow Never Dies, The World is not Enough, and Die Another Day)
12.5mm - 2220.80 SMP, 2500D movement (Bond wore in Casino Royale)*
12.9mm - No wave dial, ceramic bezel SMP, 2500D movement
13.7mm - Current gen wave dial 42mm SMP with ceramic bezel, 8800 movement


*My 2220.80 has the 2500D movement which was used at the very end of the 2220.80 run (circa 2012). Most 2220.80 SMP's have the 2 level co-axial escapement 2500C movement. The 2500D had a three level co-axial escapement so it is slightly thicker than the 2500A, 2500B, and 2500C (all two level co-axials). So I think the 2500C 2220.80's were probably 12.2mm or 12.3mm thick. They were definitely thicker than the 1120 movement 2531.80's.

There can be some subjectivity in the measurements, but this gives a pretty clear indication of how the SMP has grown thicker over the different generations.

Jakeys

This gives some additional weight to the theories that what Craig was wearing is in fact the fourth gen SMP, and not a special edition. If so, that's surprising but very welcome. I was pretty sure it would be some kind of special edition, because I just didn't think they'd go back to a first gen style all white print wave dial for a mainline release. But if they have, absolutely love that. Going a bit more historic would be another steal from Tudor's playbook I reckon. 😜



Thanks for this. Agree that when dealing with sub 1 mm, it becomes difficult to get the measurements bang on. Omega quote the thickness of the third gen as 13.1 mm (Not sure where I got 12.8 from earlier, probably a third party source) and the fourth gen as 13.6 mm, but below that it becomes subjective.

I re-measured my 2541.80 just now and I once again got 11.5 mm. When I measured it closer to the edge, I did get 11.2 mm. Is it possible you didn't measure at the centre of the watch, bearing in mind that the crystal is very slightly domed? This is pretty academic, but if you really are getting a difference between your 2541.80 and your 2531.80, I'd be quite curious where that is. Does one have a thicker caseback perhaps?

502 to right

I remeasured everything and I must have been coming up just short of the center of the crystal. Add 0.1mm to everything except the quartz Goldeneye, which was off by 0.2mm. So I measure the Goldeneye at 11.4mm. I know for absolute certainty the 2541.80 (quartz Goldeneye) and the 2531.80 (automatic) do not have the same thickness. The 2531.80 is thicker by 0.4mm.

Here's everything in one place:

11.4mm - 2541.80 SMP, 1538 quartz movement (Bond wore in GoldenEye)
11.8mm - 2531.80 SMP, 1120 movement (Bond wore in Tomorrow Never Dies, The World is not Enough, and Die Another Day)
12.6mm - 2220.80 SMP, 2500D movement (Bond wore in Casino Royale)*
13.0mm - No wave dial, ceramic bezel SMP, 2500D movement
13.8mm - Current gen wave dial 42mm SMP with ceramic bezel, 8800 movement

502 to right

According to the TRF thread, it's being reported black only for now. Apparently Omega is stealing from Tudor's playbook and is slow playing the release of other colors.

Jakeys

Nice one, thanks. That makes a bit more sense.

Can you tell by eye what is contributing to the thickness difference on the quartz vs mechanical first gen references? I'm curious if it's a thicker caseback, or the case itself is thicker. I imagine the bezel and crystal would be identical.

Jakeys

This gives some additional weight to the theories that what Craig was wearing is in fact the fourth gen SMP, and not a special edition. If so, that's surprising but very welcome. I was pretty sure it would be some kind of special edition, because I just didn't think they'd go back to a first gen style all white print wave dial for a mainline release. But if they have, absolutely love that. Going a bit more historic would be another steal from Tudor's playbook I reckon. 😜

M Ofan

I can't imagine that Daniel Craig's Seamaster is a new generation.
I see two reasons for this:

1. the watch looks almost exactly like the NTTD and the 60th Anniversary JB. Why would Omega use a design for a completely new generation that has been around for several years? There are simply too few changes for a new generation.

2. many people don't like the mesh bracelet because it doesn't fit properly. Omega will certainly not bring out a new generation with a bracelet that many people don't like because it simply doesn't fit properly. All other generations of the Seamaster had the classic Pierce Brosnan bracelet. It was the distinguishing feature of the Seamaster alongside the helium valve, the skeletonized hands and the wave pattern on the dial. I can't imagine Omega simply replacing it with a completely different bracelet. And if Omega does, then not with a mesh strap.

So I'm pretty sure that the Seamaster worn by Daniel Craig is another model variant alongside the NTTD and the 60th Anniversary JB. A slightly different dial that is otherwise very similar or identical to these two watch models.

502 to right

I remeasured everything and I must have been coming up just short of the center of the crystal. Add 0.1mm to everything except the quartz Goldeneye, which was off by 0.2mm. So I measure the Goldeneye at 11.4mm. I know for absolute certainty the 2541.80 (quartz Goldeneye) and the 2531.80 (automatic) do not have the same thickness. The 2531.80 is thicker by 0.4mm.

Here's everything in one place:

11.4mm - 2541.80 SMP, 1538 quartz movement (Bond wore in GoldenEye)
11.8mm - 2531.80 SMP, 1120 movement (Bond wore in Tomorrow Never Dies, The World is not Enough, and Die Another Day)
12.6mm - 2220.80 SMP, 2500D movement (Bond wore in Casino Royale)*
13.0mm - No wave dial, ceramic bezel SMP, 2500D movement
13.8mm - Current gen wave dial 42mm SMP with ceramic bezel, 8800 movement