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I gave up on the mesh bracelet when I rel

Agree, though the white dial variant comes closest I think, partly because it manages the trick of appearing solid white at times and then revealing the more subtle wave pattern.

But these new ones definitely get the waves right. I'd buy it on the rubber though. Had the NTTD in briefly and did not Bond with the mesh.

Yeah, the white dial is nice. I agree with why as well, the usual lines are too glossy and blingy and make the waves too prominent as a result. There were one or two matte current gen ceramic wave dials I thought looked much better as well, I forget which reference/s.

Also would get rubber. I get the mesh works for some people, but I don't like the look of it nor the super bulky clasp area. I'd just order the normal SMP bracelet, I think they look best on that. Some of the shots on this forum (like 10mmauto's above) of people trying the new ones on the standard bracelet look fantastic.
 
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To my mind, Omega is really loosing it self with all those special edition watches. Very wide, thick and all. Tudor gets it. 40mm watches. Real vintage look. When a purple one with yellow stripes... ?

And they worth nothing on aftermarket. Plenty to find, none that goes. The current blue one will soon worth less than the previous 212.30. or 2220.80.

A "Solar Beat" reedition of a 2541 with a fair price would be a hit. Like Cartier Tank SB or TAG Aqua Solar.

2531 look a like for 42 x 15 x 7000$, have fun in 2024...
 
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To my mind, Omega is really loosing it self with all those special edition watches. Very wide, thick and all. Tudor gets it. 40mm watches. Real vintage look.
Omega has ~5x the sales volume of Tudor with ~2x the average sales price. That said, 2017-2023 Tudor doubled its sales, so it's growing fast.

On the secondary market, though, Tudor's 2024 year/year value is more than 2x worse than Omega's:

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"Had the NTTD in briefly and did not 'Bond' with the mesh."
😉 I saw what you did there!
I had the same problem with the NTTD and sold it.
 
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To my mind, Omega is really loosing it self with all those special edition watches. Very wide, thick and all. Tudor gets it. 40mm watches. Real vintage look. When a purple one with yellow stripes... ?

Well... I too would like to see Omega dial their catalog back just a little bit more, and although the secondary Market doesn't like or value all of the limited offerings that Omega offers, they aren't losing any more value (for the most part) than the average Tudor. @GrussGott 's shared data definitely lines up with what I have seen on eBay, reddit, pretty much anywhere watches are sold. Not to mention, I saw a chart that showed that Omega had a very serious lead in terms of used watch sales on eBay this holiday season over all other brands.

Whatever Omega is doing and however much we may not agree with their strategies, there is very little doubt that they are seen as a Rolex competitor while tudor is seen as a poor man's substitute and given how luxury Market perceptions tend to work, it's unlikely this will change anytime soon. Period.
 
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Local AD had the black no date in, as I walked past. Looks stunning & think it does edge above the SeaWeed in the Seamaster I’d like to buy. Need to try it in, obviously, then decide Speedy or Seamaster.
 
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Local AD had the black no date in, as I walked past. Looks stunning & think it does edge above the SeaWeed in the Seamaster I’d like to buy. Need to try it in, obviously, then decide Speedy or Seamaster.

If you already own a Seamaster definitely get a Speedmaster. That way, when you wear your Speedmaster you can wish you were wearing your Seamaster and appreciate it even more when you finally put it on!

😳😉
 
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If you already own a Seamaster definitely get a Speedmaster. That way, when you wear your Speedmaster you can wish you were wearing your Seamaster and appreciate it even more when you finally put it on!

😳😉
Yeah, I have to say I'm not a speedy guy broadly and decided back in 2015ish I was just gonna buy my first passion, dive watches. Buuuuttttt .... 🙄

I'm an engineering nut and I love the Omega tech, so the ceramic cases really grabbed me and the more I looked at them all I decided the GSotM had the most of all the stuff I like, so SURPRISE! It's my first luxe non-diver in 10 years 🤬

And because of that I had totally forgotten how easy it is to wind a watch without a screwdown crown! It's pretty sweet.
 
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Local AD had the black no date in, as I walked past. Looks stunning & think it does edge above the SeaWeed in the Seamaster I’d like to buy. Need to try it in, obviously, then decide Speedy or Seamaster.
Both...
 
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Yeah, I have to say I'm not a speedy guy broadly and decided back in 2015ish I was just gonna buy my first passion, dive watches. Buuuuttttt .... 🙄

I'm an engineering nut and I love the Omega tech, so the ceramic cases really grabbed me and the more I looked at them all I decided the GSotM had the most of all the stuff I like, so SURPRISE! It's my first luxe non-diver in 10 years 🤬

And because of that I had totally forgotten how easy it is to wind a watch without a screwdown crown! It's pretty sweet.

The most important part about owning the watch you own is whether or not you enjoy it. 😀

Also, need pics.
 
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The most important part about owning the watch you own is whether or not you enjoy it. 😀

Also, need pics.
Ha, I have all the douche pics! Snuck in the other grey I almost bought. i'm really loving it! I'm looking hard at the UD & world timer for next year, but then I wasn't even considering the GSotM until a few weeks prior to buying it soooo ...

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Whatever Omega is doing and however much we may not agree with their strategies, there is very little doubt that they are seen as a Rolex competitor while tudor is seen as a poor man's substitute and given how luxury Market perceptions tend to work, it's unlikely this will change anytime soon. Period.
Interesting 7 year value comparison chart:

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If you already own a Seamaster definitely get a Speedmaster. That way, when you wear your Speedmaster you can wish you were wearing your Seamaster and appreciate it even more when you finally put it on!

😳😉
No Omega currently. Just 2 Tudors & a Seiko.

Had the current 3861 Speedy Sapphire Sandwich 18m ago but only lasted a few weeks. Swapped got a Tag (long story). But every since always regretted that decision
 
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I never understood the dislike of special editions and Omegas broad catalog. Isn`t choice good? You dont have to buy them all, just buy the one you like, simple as that.
 
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The point is not to say a Tudor worth 2k and an Omega worth 6k. I know that and that's not what I wrote.

There is a lot of 60th, NTTD or Green one and so many SE to sell. People cuts off prices since a year now and still have them. Price tag is not value if there is no one to buy... A bit like Rolex actually. First time in years that C24 pushed me adds for offers on Rolex.

261 NTTD on C24. Even for less than 7k, none that goes. They are just piling up. Remember when it first came out. It was supposedly the next Snoopy or else...

Omega sells a lots of Speeds and other watches. Of course. I have some, like all of yours. But those bigs SMP SE are totally out of date. Hopefully it's the end of this generation. The new one will probably comes more into 2024 standards. 41/40, maybe solar ones. Every others brands does that. Even Omega who currently pushes 38 AT or 38 Speeds in a lots of adds.
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261 NTTD on C24. Even for less than 7k, none that goes. They are just piling up.
The overall Seamaster line has fallen less than the market and the NTTD price is up year/year

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Yeah, as much as I'd like to see some changes, I don't think Omega thinks it's going in the wrong direction. Don't see them interested in a mere one or two millimeter redesign, solar or quartz, etc. Quite frankly, what they're making is moving pretty briskly, overall and enjoys a decent secondhand market, for better or worse.
 
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Yeah, as much as I'd like to see some changes, I don't think Omega thinks it's going in the wrong direction. Don't see them interested in a mere one or two millimeter redesign, solar or quartz, etc. Quite frankly, what they're making is moving pretty briskly, overall and enjoys a decent secondhand market, for better or worse.

I'd have to agree. Enthusiasts like us always want perfection, but the brands just want to make money. If they think the probably marginal increase in sales from a thinner SMP is worth less than the cost to engineer a thinner SMP, they'll never do it. Won't stop me wanting them to do better, but realistically I understand they may just not really care.

I do think they have absolutely no interest in mainstream models with solar or quartz, nor should they. Omega have been positioning themselves up market for years, and are focused on mechanical chronometry and horology, i.e. master chronometer and Spirate. We're as likely to see a solar quartz Seamaster as we are an OLED display Submariner.

And yes, I know there are some niche exclusions.
 
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I'd have to agree. Enthusiasts like us always want perfection, but the brands just want to make money. If they think the probably marginal increase in sales from a thinner SMP is worth less than the cost to engineer a thinner SMP, they'll never do it. Won't stop me wanting them to do better, but realistically I understand they may just not really care.

I do think they have absolutely no interest in mainstream models with solar or quartz, nor should they. Omega have been positioning themselves up market for years, and are focused on mechanical chronometry and horology, i.e. master chronometer and Spirate. We're as likely to see a solar quartz Seamaster as we are an OLED display Submariner.

And yes, I know there are some niche exclusions.

I think enthusiasts like "us" are absolutely not representative of the mainstream omega buyer. I commented earlier to the effect that I rarely or never see complaints about the SMP on Reddit, but just take this as an example:

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This poster shared these two watches on mesh bracelets and specified that the Speedmaster was on a komfit, and pretty much every single comment looks like this. One person said the "James Bond watch and the astronaut watch" but it was unclear as to whether or not they even understood what the history of the komfit was. 90%+ of responders in this thread LOVE the Seamaster on mesh and think the speedy should never be on mesh. I might have been the only person that responded to provide some sort of history on why this bracelet is appropriate.

Meanwhile, here on Omegaforums, the opinion is nearly photo-negative. There are a lot of people that do not like the mesh, think it is too thick, not flexible enough, doesn't fit well, isn't stylish, whatever the case or complaint may be, it is not as popular with this crowd. And komfits? I may not have to wait that long to see one appear on WRUW.
 
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