Please tell me I was smart not to bid on this 2998

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In my opinion, with the current 'madness' going on - the watch was a 'steal' at the auction selling price.
Agreed - it only takes two bidders keen to own it - and it could have trebled or quadrupled in price.
But at that cost - it's a no brainer.
 
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I wouldn't have bid on that either, given shortness of time to check on the watch and auction house's bona fides.
Maybe you missed a great deal, but just as likely you saved yourself an expensive headache.
 
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...because I kinda feel like I should have. The description was only 'Omega watch' and these 3 photos. It was offered online by a local auction house, as one of the lots from an estate.

I stumbled on it precisely 4 minutes before the end, and in that time still had to register for the site and do my due diligence. When I was done, there were literally 7 seconds left on the clock.

I hesitated, and didn't bid.



To my n00b eyes, it's some sort of CK 2998. It ended up going for €4700 excluding auction costs and VAT. Including these costs, it was some €5890, which converts to $6340 USD.

Did someone just get a steal, or did I narrowly escape from a money pit?

How does €4700 hammer only cost $6340 USD all in? Seems like it would be higher, unless this auction house has lower fees than most. I compute:

€4700 hammer + 24% commission (presumed) + 21% Dutch VAT *1.08 euro/usd=
$7616 USD

Am I missing something?

In my opinion, with the current 'madness' going on - the watch was a 'steal' at the auction selling price.
Agreed - it only takes two bidders keen to own it - and it could have trebled or quadrupled in price.
But at that cost - it's a no brainer.

Given the uncertainty regarding the insides of this watch and the inability to return, I can't see this watch, which has definite issues, selling for more than $10,000 USD. Everyone bidding on it would have been looking for a bargain.
 
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IMHO This watch at the winning bid amount is actually VERY attractive. I would say without question, if one were to remove the crystal and photograph the dial using a camera with decent optics in a studio lighting situation this particular 2998 would be transformed. Certainly not perfect, but still quite nice.
 
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More pictures from an other forum.

Definitely a bargain. I think it's untouched and don't even think it's a relume...
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How does €4700 hammer only cost $6340 USD all in? Seems like it would be higher, unless this auction house has lower fees than most. I compute:

€4700 hammer + 24% commission (presumed) + 21% Dutch VAT *1.08 euro/usd=
$7616 USD

Am I missing something?

Over in Belgium (where the auction took place) it works slightly differently for the private auction of used goods. Because it's assumed that VAT has already been paid over these goods when they were bought new, VAT is only charged over over the part of the process that adds (new) value, which is the auction fee. For this auction house, the fee was coincidentally also 21% (same as the VAT rate). So: €4,700 (hammer price) + €987 (21% auction fee) + €207 (21% VAT over auction fee) = €5,894 * 1,076 (conversion rate) = $6,342 USD.

BUT....

It appears I was wrong about the price. Even though I clearly saw a €4,700 hammer price (I was logged in, hovering over the button for a minimum bid of €4,800) when it jumped to 'auction completed' with the €4,700 unchanged, I now believe that my browser didn't refresh correctly (...either that, or I'm going mad). I've been discussing this auction on the Dutch watch boards also, and two people that I trust independently said that they were watching it also and saw a hammer price of €6,000. I would have bet a nice watch that this wasn't the case, but again - it's two people that do a lot more buying at auction than I do, so I guess I was wrong.

It that case, the final price works out as €6,000 + €1,260 + €265 = €7525 * 1,076 = $8,096 (some $1,750 USD more than I originally thought). That makes it slightly less interesting, of course. Still, probably a good price. Had I been able to do some research beforehand (it was possible to inspect it physically at the auction house), I might have tried to grab it for that. But I now feel that without proper research, this wouldn't have been a good buy so much as it would have been a lucky shot.
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Hello gentlemen,
Sorry for my english.

I feel sorry for you, but
I am the new owner of the watch.
I bought it yesterday from a small, unprofessional auction.
The watch was from an old man (85years old) who died.
The auctioneer never sells watches, only some old material.

after the last bid, the bidding for the auction is extended with 5 minutes, the watch was finally auctioned for 7,500 euros including charges.
The hour hand was not in good condition, there was a hole in it.

What is next? Put a new crystal, service and clean it?
What do you guys mean with "relume'' ?

Thank you
 
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Can you give me a link from the other forum?
I really thought I was the only person that was in the running for this one 😁
I thought nobody find this one on the internet because the auction said : Omega watch.
For me it is also a gamble, but I did it because the owner was that old and I hope it has no service parts.
 
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Can you give me a link from the other forum?
I really thought I was the only person that was in the running for this one 😁
I thought nobody find this one on the internet because the auction said : Omega watch.
For me it is also a gamble, but I did it because the owner was that old and I hope it has no service parts.

Sure, here you go: http://www.horlogeforum.nl/t/nu-te-volgen-veiling-vintage-speedmaster-ck-2998/102771

Just one of the forum members there was bidding also (with a very low maximum bid). He shared the auction once he was outbid. Most of them are simply annoyed that they didn't find the auction in time ;-)

So I guess my hesitation ended up saving you a lot of money. I'll mail you my bank account information.

Just kidding, of course. Congrats on a great buy! Did you inspect it beforehand? May I ask what your maximum bid would have been?
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Sure, here you go: http://www.horlogeforum.nl/t/nu-te-volgen-veiling-vintage-speedmaster-ck-2998/102771/62

Just one of the forum members there was bidding also (with a very low maximum bid). He shared the auction once he was outbid. Most of them are simply annoyed that they didn't find the auction in time ;-)

So I guess my hesitation ended up saving you a lot of money. I'll mail you my bank account information.

Just kidding, of course. Congrats on a great buy! Did you inspect it beforehand? May I ask what your maximum bid would have been?

HAHA I can offer you a drink in Belgium 😀

I did not want other people to see that it was an expensive watch, So I looked at it carefully.
I did a lot of research on the watch AND on the first owner.
So I was almost sure the hands and other parts are never serviced, fingers crossed👍
the minimum next bid was 6500 excluding costs, I want to go to a maximum of 10 000euro all included.
Because this is the second watch I buy this week🤪
 
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In for a penny in for a pound would have bid to win
 
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So I was almost sure the hands and other parts are never serviced, fingers crossed👍
the minimum next bid was 6500 excluding costs, I want to go to a maximum of 10 000euro all included.
Because this is the second watch I buy this week🤪

Well played sir! In that case, @ConElPueblo was correct. I would not have dared to top a €10,000 bid without actually seeing it. So the watch would have gone to you anyway, and all I would have done is make it more expensive for you. Once again, fortune favored the prepared.

As for your questions: 'relume' means that the luminous material on the markers (radium, tritium or luminova) has been repaired/repainted at some point. Because of the greenish color in the auction pics, some suspected that this was the case. Seeing the new pictures above, I actually believe it is still all original.

If I were you, I would seek out a competent watchmaker who services the movement and maybe replaces the crystal (although if it isn't cracked, the scratches can polish right out), put it on a nice leather strap, and that's about it. Maybe the crown or pushers need to be replaced, but that's generally seen as OK (especially if he gives you the original parts back).

Under no circumstances let him polish the case or change the dial, hands or bezel. Some people would repair the hole in the minute hand (which is simply luminous material that fell out of the hand) with color-matched lume, but personally I'd leave it alone.

Please do not (ever) send it to Omega for a service: they will ruin your watch with new parts. If you live in the Northereast of Belgium, I can recommend Ferrie Schweitzer in Heerlen (The Netherlands). He's not officially certified anymore, but he specialises in vintage omega, has 30+ years of experience working at Omega, and has a huge supply of parts. Perhaps most importantly, he's skilled and understands the value that collectors place on originality.

I might take you up on your offer for a beer someday...and the very least, we'd really love to see before and after pictures of your prize ;-)
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I'm not saying it's definitely been relumed. However, from the few low quality pictures, I might have been.

Post some better pics when you have the watch in your hand and we'll be able to give you a better opinion.
 
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Well played sir! In that case, @ConElPueblo was correct. I would not have dared to top a €10,000 bid without actually seeing it. So would have gone to you anyway, and all I would have done is make it more expensive for you. Once again, fortune favored the prepared.

As for your questions: 'relume' means that the luminous material on the markers (radium, tritium or luminova) has been repaired/repainted at some point. Because of the greenish color in the auction pics, some suspected that this was the case. Seeing the new pictures above, I actually believe it is still all original.

If I were you, I would seek out a competent watchmaker who services the movement and maybe replaces the crystal (although if it isn't cracked, the scratches can polish right out), put it on a nice leather strap, and that's about it. Maybe the crown or pushers need to be replaced, but that's generally seen as OK (especially if he gives you the original parts back).

Under no circumstances let him polish the case or change the dial, hands or bezel. Some people would repair the hole in the minute hand (which is simply luminous material that fell out of the hand) with color-matched lume, but personally I'd leave it alone.

Please do not (ever) send it to Omega for a service: they will ruin your watch with new parts. If you live in the Northereast of Belgium, I can recommend Ferrie Schweitzer in Heerlen (The Netherlands). He's not officially certified anymore, but he specialises in vintage omega, has 30+ years of experience working at Omega, and has a huge supply of parts. Perhaps most importantly, he's skilled and understands the value that collectors place on originality.

I might take you up on your offer for a beer someday...and the very least, we'd really love to see before and after pictures of your prize ;-)

Thanks man,
No I will never bring it to Omega or never change the original parts, I never bought it has come with service parts.
And no never polish a watch!
I already knew Ferrie and I live about 20 minutes from Heerlen.
Where are you from? Also from Belgium? I live in Lanaken, 5minutes from Maastricht,
I have a restaurant called Oud Gerechtshof, You are welcome for your beer 😀😀
 
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I'm not saying it's definitely been relumed. However, from the few low quality pictures, I might have been.

Post some better pics when you have the watch in your hand and we'll be able to give you a better opinion.

Okay,
I will post more pics and information, but first buy a nice vintage suede strap 😎
 
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As a general rule, I never ever ever bid on a watch like this without seeing the movement. The bidder was bold, and I truly hope all is good inside. But like others have said, the parts alone would probably add up.
 
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As a general rule, I never ever ever bid on a watch like this without seeing the movement. The bidder was bold, and I truly hope all is good inside. But like others have said, the parts alone would probably add up.
A majority of the watches in my collection, and I would say 90% of those I have bought over the years, I never saw the movement before buying.

All have been 100% save a $150 Seiko with water damage, and my BT with the glued dial.

To get the good deals, you have been willing to take some risks.
 
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A majority of the watches in my collection, and I would say 90% of those I have bought over the years, I never saw the movement before buying.

Personal preference. I have seen way too many good looking cases and dials, but with skanky movements. You can clean up the outside easily. Cleaning up a skanky movement is hard. Even if it runs well, knowing that it's compromised....


Just like women, I have to like what's on the inside first (awwww)