Phillips auction Speedmaster - a 3.000.000-fake?

Pastorbottle

So quite the ongoing scam then....

gatorcpa

na kraju nitko neće odgovoriti jer u satu nema vintage dijelova osim Omago 321



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GatorCPA

gatorcpa

I wouldn’t count on it happening.

There are too many very wealthy and politically connected people involved to allow the real truth to be revealed in this case. I believe that this sort of thing has been going on for many years. The Omega people who got caught with their hands in the cookie jar will eventually pay some sort of a penalty (either in money or jail time), but the money people will walk away.

Switzerland is no better or worse than any other Western country when it comes to corruption.
gatorcpa

Fallout Boy

not completely independent.

sheepdoll

There does seem to be a sort of irony here that a person like myself can source parts from eBay and use something like a fiber laser to make a few missing springs or levers.

So where is the gray area. Drawings for say a SM300 case are available and could be made with a CNC machine. This seems to be done in south east Asia or somewhere similar. The irksome thing is these parts are sold to to prices and pretend to be what they are not. It is one thing to stick an NH35 movement into a case a 565 is not all that different.

Of course we are comparing apple and oranges here. Seamasters are not Speedmaster. Speedmaster parts to not seem to show up in odd job lots or estate sales. When they do, there are a lot of people looking for them.

In some ways it feels unfair in this day and age of corporate control even of dreams. Where fairy tales and myths are copyrighted and trademarked. I watch a TV show or film, dream about it, should I pay for the rights to do so? That people can not take and improve things. I remember in the Baud Brothers museum, they had a display wing of botch repair jobs by semi competent folk. Yet this is more art than craft. Nothing Tolken wrote was new. Same for JK Rowling. These ideas are all part of the eternal story. Even Joseph Campell is not new. Robert Graves wrote much the same things in the White Goddess.

As noted these things are done on machines using statistically graded parts. How they are used and stored determines the patinas and such.

I suppose much depends on the motivation. Some counterfeiters do it on the cheap. Others like Von Meergan, Do it because they are told they are not good enough for commercial craft work. Or they want to screw over the person they feel that is screwing them. Much probably comes down to the time and effort of the situation. Converting objects into script or fiat currency on the short term may seem desirable at the time.

Will be interesting how this case pans out. Stealing parts seem an odd thing, but museums often have a lot of items in the collection what can not be easy shifted. Strings attached and such. So if it is an off part in storage, then what. Not exactly sure what the point here was other than Cost of living can be high in places like the SF bay area, and Switzerland. I stayed in an airBNB in 2022, they also had a place that made fabric items, purses or bags. So perhaps they need what ever they can. The taxes are high, but the state subsides a lot. Not sure how their medical works.

Granted an art project made out of museum spares is not as interesting as the Vermeer what fills in the blank of of a painting that should exist but does not. There are a few who do seem to desire to have something that no one else can have. Not sure where this comes from. I tend more to the schadenfreude that if I am happy then others must be happy too. Karma works all ways. As does luck. So many mistake luck for skill that it leads to a bit of unhappiness.

The thing is that if Omega did make the spares as in the Watcho days, then there would be people who like to for what ever reason assemble watches from the components. In a lot of ways this is what lego teaches us. When I was little lego had a few suggestions. Now they have trademarked designs and stuff that is supposed to be assembled to match the photo on the box.

I can also remember when Mr Potato head did not include the potato. So one could put the part anywhere and not just in the pre drilled holes.

Perhaps this is a cry for help, where creativity is stifled. Still it would be fun if Omega did make a Do it yourself watch kit. Let the robots make all the parts, and the high end consumer assemble them into something to their own personal taste. There may even be those who would pay a premium for such. As long as there is the illusion of saving something or getting a deal, because they never add up how many 25 or 35 dollar parts there are in the watch. It is a lot like purchases on the installment plan.

momosono

As far as I know they are. What gives you the impression that they aren't?

So if by not independent you mean that they (the district attorney people) might be near to the culprits or the demander, well yes that is not impossible.
On the other hand, they have a permanent employment and don't have to worry about being reelected after a few years so they don't need to be concerned about losing their jobs if they tread on someones toes. Their only risk might be that if they decide to move on, that Swatch Group won't take them as legal counsel 😉