Patek Philippe: real or fake?

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sorry i didnt mean anything bad by asking that question,i did alot of research but i have no clue about watches,what botters me is that in gold store they say yellow thing around watch is gold and they want to buy it ,didnt know there is replica watch with gold on it ,ok thank you all for answers
 
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If a gold store is willing to buy it for weight in gold, I would say take the offer and be happy it is actual gold. As tyrantlizardrex said, there's a lot of gold colored materials and it's highly suspect a fake watch would use an actual gold filled case.The watch itself is fake so there's no real significant value there.
 
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If a gold store is willing to buy it for weight in gold, I would say take the offer and be happy it is actual gold. As tyrantlizardrex said, there's a lot of gold colored materials and it's highly suspect a fake watch would use an actual gold filled case.The watch itself is fake so there's no real significant value there.
Disagree. Plenty of high end Patek fakes of use gold filled cases.

When your looking for suckers on a 100k plus watch for 2-5 grand or more you can invest in decent materials.
 
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Disagree. Plenty of high end Patek fakes of use gold filled cases.

When your looking for suckers on a 100k plus watch for 2-5 grand or more you can invest in decent materials.

If you can distract someone with the solid gold case... maybe they won’t look too closely at the rest of the watch... 😉
 
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If you can distract someone with the solid gold case... maybe they won’t look too closely at the rest of the watch... 😉
I've also seen evidence of a solid gold fake Patek. 😀
 
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I've also seen evidence of a solid gold fake Patek. 😀

I've been shown a couple in London now... apparently coming from Italy.😗

Worrying stuff for the uninitiated. 😵‍💫
 
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Makes me laugh a bit watch appears reversable as well? What is the dial on the back?
 
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I'm not sayin but I'm just sayin counterfeiters are known to troll hobby forums and challenge collectors.

It's their way of researching and then making corrections to the more obvious tells of a fake.
 
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I'm not sayin but I'm just sayin counterfeiters are known to troll hobby forums and challenge collectors.

It's their way of researching and then making corrections to the more obvious tells of a fake.

I've heard this theory before also, but I've never seen any evidence that it's anything real. I've never understood why fakers would need to do this, when they can simply compare their design to the real thing (plenty of photos available on-line) to determine what the "tells" are. Seems to be an internet myth IMO...
 
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I've heard this theory before also, but I've never seen any evidence that it's anything real. I've never understood why fakers would need to do this, when they can simply compare their design to the real thing (plenty of photos available on-line) to determine what the "tells" are. Seems to be an internet myth IMO...

maybe they call it market research. they have the most tech savy guy in the fake factory go on the forums and compare.
 
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maybe they call it market research. they have the most tech savy guy in the fake factory go on the forums and compare.

Compare what? It doesn't make sense when there are photos of the real watches on the web site of the company you are copying that show what the genuine watch looks like. This is one of those theories that "seems to make sense" until you actually give it some thought...
 
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Compare what? It doesn't make sense when there are photos of the real watches on the web site of the company you are copying that show what the genuine watch looks like. This is one of those theories that "seems to make sense" until you actually give it some thought...

to find out where/how the trained observers pick up the mistakes on their fraudulent production and what they need to fix. its like the fake coins I see in the other forums. some are so bad that they are obvious fakes. With Patek's vetting process, im sure its not easy for the fakers to actually get their hands on a real one to do the fine work on scrutinizing. As a kid, I used to stroll the streets of chinatown to see how the fakes were. Each summer there would be a new batch to examine.
 
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With Patek's vetting process, im sure its not easy for the fakers to actually get their hands on a real one to do the fine work on scrutinizing.

www.patek.com

Want to see fine details - it's all on their web site...just took this screen grab:



Unless you think the fakers are living in the 1970's, there's a lot easier ways to see the details than getting access to the physical watch, or running your fake by watch enthusiasts (this would be a trial and error method that doesn't make much sense to me). On their site you can even see 360 degree viewing so the watch can be seen all the way around. They could also just ask Patek for a catalogue...brands are happy to give them away for free.
 
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www.patek.com

Want to see fine details - it's all on their web site...just took this screen grab:



Unless you think the fakers are living in the 1970's, there's a lot easier ways to see the details than getting access to the physical watch, or running your fake by watch enthusiasts (this would be a trial and error method that doesn't make much sense to me). On their site you can even see 360 degree viewing so the watch can be seen all the way around. They could also just ask Patek for a catalogue...brands are happy to give them away for free.

hey man, i dont mean any offense, its just idle speculation on my part. maybe they put it up there and think do your best china, lets see what you got. in the knife world, once those designs hit the china factory floor say good bye to originality, no name/off brand look alikes within weeks.
 
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Not taking offense, so no worries about that. But let's get real here - the vast majority of fake watches sold, are sold to people who know it's a fake. There are entire communities of fake watch enthusiasts and forums dedicated to fake watches, and trust me they all know the shortcomings of the fakes they wear or sell. I've had quite a number of fake watches come to me for service, and only one person out of those who sent me a fake didn't know (or at least suspect) that the watch was fake. By the way I send these back - I don't work on fakes.

Fakers are generally not targeting proper watch collectors, so the idea that posts are being made on forums like this by fakers hoping to discover what things to "correct" on their fake watches is pretty far fetched. It's an idea that gets repeated on forums, but I doubt it happens with any sort of regularity (if it happens at all) as it's a very inefficient method of knowing what's wrong with the fake you are producing.

Cheers, Al