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Raid
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Hi guys
was it interesting, is this watch real or fake? If a fake, how can this be said?
Panerai real or fake?
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dsio
··Ash @ ΩFMate its one of those things where if you have to ask you already know the answer... google the calibre and compare the photos, does it even look close to you?
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77deluxe
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staristheanswer
·Ofc is real.
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You have to listen to Archers comment I guess.He's an expert.
I retreat my comment OFC is real.
It looked so real to me from the photos.
Sorry!
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You have to listen to Archers comment I guess.He's an expert.
I retreat my comment OFC is real.
It looked so real to me from the photos.
Sorry!
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Foo2rama
··Keeps his worms in a ball instead of a can.Nothing appears wrong, but your better off asking on a Panari forum.
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More knowledgeable people have spoken. Run away
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More knowledgeable people have spoken. Run away
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerETA 7750 tarted up to look like a P9000 - fake as fake can get...
Similar to the way the Omega Cal. 8500's are faked, they have added a plate on top in an attempt to mimic the real thing. I have to say this is the first one of these that I've seen, but then again I don't go looking for fakes, but if you know what the real thing looks like this is pretty easy to spot as a fake.
Cheers, Al
Similar to the way the Omega Cal. 8500's are faked, they have added a plate on top in an attempt to mimic the real thing. I have to say this is the first one of these that I've seen, but then again I don't go looking for fakes, but if you know what the real thing looks like this is pretty easy to spot as a fake.
Cheers, Al
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Borbor
·easiest tell for p9000 fakes are location of balance wheels.
if it isn't at 7 o'clock, it's a fake.
if it isn't at 7 o'clock, it's a fake.
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerSo a few things jumped out at me immediately on this one, so I'll point them out for those who missed them...
A - finish here is rougher than I would expect - not conclusive but it was something I noticed right off the bat.
B - no pivots in the holes of the jewels - this is a major tell on movements where the fakers have simply added a plate on top, and a common feature of the fake 8500 movements that I've mentioned before.
C - the location of this escape wheel makes no sense at all - it's way above the balance so in relation to the escapement this is nonsensical.
D - you can see here the regulator for the 7750 base movement used - this is a pretty distinctive regulator, so one I recognized right away.
Panerai does used a stripped down 7750 in many of their older watches, since it's one of the few automatic movements available that has the constant seconds at 9 o'clock. On those (and this one I suspect) they remove the chronograph components, and the dial side parts are from the 7765, which has an instantaneous date change that flips right at midnight. The base movement here might be a Chinese clone since I would think they would want to use the cheapest thing out there.
Even if you don't know what the movement should look like, these are things that can help you spot a fake.
Cheers, Al
A - finish here is rougher than I would expect - not conclusive but it was something I noticed right off the bat.
B - no pivots in the holes of the jewels - this is a major tell on movements where the fakers have simply added a plate on top, and a common feature of the fake 8500 movements that I've mentioned before.
C - the location of this escape wheel makes no sense at all - it's way above the balance so in relation to the escapement this is nonsensical.
D - you can see here the regulator for the 7750 base movement used - this is a pretty distinctive regulator, so one I recognized right away.
Panerai does used a stripped down 7750 in many of their older watches, since it's one of the few automatic movements available that has the constant seconds at 9 o'clock. On those (and this one I suspect) they remove the chronograph components, and the dial side parts are from the 7765, which has an instantaneous date change that flips right at midnight. The base movement here might be a Chinese clone since I would think they would want to use the cheapest thing out there.
Even if you don't know what the movement should look like, these are things that can help you spot a fake.
Cheers, Al
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kingsrider
·Good morning everyone. I have never seen a movement from this kind of watch before so I was looking at fit and finish. I guessed fake based on a few things I saw. Caseback looks like stainless steel to me not titanium. Sloppy laser etching of numbers and letters on the rotor. The rotor bearing screws are not set symmetrically. Edge around rotor bearing (sorry Al if that is not the correct term) is rough. Chanfers around screw holes sloppy.
Maybe it is the pics, but some of the screw slots look off center.
Maybe it is the pics, but some of the screw slots look off center.
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Raid
·Thanks for the help.
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Braindrain
·Very informative thread. Had no idea these were even out there.
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rkman11
·With the prices of the brand as a whole dropping (second hand market) I bet there are more fakes coming out then ever. Easier to pass off as a “great deal” now...
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Hands90
·So a few things jumped out at me immediately on this one, so I'll point them out for those who missed them...
A - finish here is rougher than I would expect - not conclusive but it was something I noticed right off the bat.
B - no pivots in the holes of the jewels - this is a major tell on movements where the fakers have simply added a plate on top, and a common feature of the fake 8500 movements that I've mentioned before.
C - the location of this escape wheel makes no sense at all - it's way above the balance so in relation to the escapement this is nonsensical.
D - you can see here the regulator for the 7750 base movement used - this is a pretty distinctive regulator, so one I recognized right away.
Panerai does used a stripped down 7750 in many of their older watches, since it's one of the few automatic movements available that has the constant seconds at 9 o'clock. On those (and this one I suspect) they remove the chronograph components, and the dial side parts are from the 7765, which has an instantaneous date change that flips right at midnight. The base movement here might be a Chinese clone since I would think they would want to use the cheapest thing out there.
Even if you don't know what the movement should look like, these are things that can help you spot a fake.
Cheers, Al
Archer should just have his own forum were we just ask him questions all day.
Amazing work.
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Exiztence
·First thing everyone should do before starting thread is XXX genuine is google the best replica of that particular watch and compare, saved me lot of hassle at times.
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auxpomme
·Fake or real, the front of that case is hideous. Absolutely hideous.
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Marty McDawg
·Please tell me you didn’t pay a Bronzo price for that? Def fake.
Run those photos by the folks at paneristi. They should confirm what we all suspect/know.
Run those photos by the folks at paneristi. They should confirm what we all suspect/know.
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pianomankd
·Is this Panerai fake? I'm nervous now pulling the trigger on it. I love the PAM 51 but this one doesn't have papers.....
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michael22
·A few years ago I stumbled on a forum for people who like & buy fake watches. They happened to be gloating about the latest fake Panerai, which was seriously hard to tell apart. A real eye-opener for me.
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wateveritis
·i didn't know there are fake Panerai as well. Is there any good website out there with details of the calibre for comparison between the real and fake movements?
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Martycus
·There's also two different pictures for he movement. Compare the background of the 5th and 6th picture and compare the reference numbers. In the 5th picture it's smooth and crisp whereas ion the 6th it's thick and "runny".
Also, in a gen, I seem to recall the balance wheel area is at 7 - this one is at 1. It also takes on a mat finish whereas this one is shiny.
After having some bad experience in the past with hour indicators, I looked at this and it seems off. Does the hour indicator at 6 looks slightly off? I placed a straight edge from the indicators at 12 to the one at 6 and the 6 is leaning ever so slightly to the right.
Also, in a gen, I seem to recall the balance wheel area is at 7 - this one is at 1. It also takes on a mat finish whereas this one is shiny.
After having some bad experience in the past with hour indicators, I looked at this and it seems off. Does the hour indicator at 6 looks slightly off? I placed a straight edge from the indicators at 12 to the one at 6 and the 6 is leaning ever so slightly to the right.
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