Panerai real or fake?

wateveritis

i didn't know there are fake Panerai as well. Is there any good website out there with details of the calibre for comparison between the real and fake movements?

rcs914

There are basically fakes of every single watch of value out there, all the way down to Seiko SKX007. It makes me super leery, but most of the fakes aren't very good. However this isn't always the case, and the more money you put into it, the better it gets. Strangely one of the only watches that doesn't have a convincing fake (that I've ever seen) is the Speedmaster. The subdial spacing is always wrong.

rcs914

There are basically fakes of every single watch of value out there, all the way down to Seiko SKX007. It makes me super leery, but most of the fakes aren't very good. However this isn't always the case, and the more money you put into it, the better it gets. Strangely one of the only watches that doesn't have a convincing fake (that I've ever seen) is the Speedmaster. The subdial spacing is always wrong.

Archer

So a few things jumped out at me immediately on this one, so I'll point them out for those who missed them...



A - finish here is rougher than I would expect - not conclusive but it was something I noticed right off the bat.

B - no pivots in the holes of the jewels - this is a major tell on movements where the fakers have simply added a plate on top, and a common feature of the fake 8500 movements that I've mentioned before.

C - the location of this escape wheel makes no sense at all - it's way above the balance so in relation to the escapement this is nonsensical.

D - you can see here the regulator for the 7750 base movement used - this is a pretty distinctive regulator, so one I recognized right away.

Panerai does used a stripped down 7750 in many of their older watches, since it's one of the few automatic movements available that has the constant seconds at 9 o'clock. On those (and this one I suspect) they remove the chronograph components, and the dial side parts are from the 7765, which has an instantaneous date change that flips right at midnight. The base movement here might be a Chinese clone since I would think they would want to use the cheapest thing out there.

Even if you don't know what the movement should look like, these are things that can help you spot a fake.

Cheers, Al

Archer

So a few things jumped out at me immediately on this one, so I'll point them out for those who missed them...



A - finish here is rougher than I would expect - not conclusive but it was something I noticed right off the bat.

B - no pivots in the holes of the jewels - this is a major tell on movements where the fakers have simply added a plate on top, and a common feature of the fake 8500 movements that I've mentioned before.

C - the location of this escape wheel makes no sense at all - it's way above the balance so in relation to the escapement this is nonsensical.

D - you can see here the regulator for the 7750 base movement used - this is a pretty distinctive regulator, so one I recognized right away.

Panerai does used a stripped down 7750 in many of their older watches, since it's one of the few automatic movements available that has the constant seconds at 9 o'clock. On those (and this one I suspect) they remove the chronograph components, and the dial side parts are from the 7765, which has an instantaneous date change that flips right at midnight. The base movement here might be a Chinese clone since I would think they would want to use the cheapest thing out there.

Even if you don't know what the movement should look like, these are things that can help you spot a fake.

Cheers, Al

pianomankd

Is this Panerai fake? I'm nervous now pulling the trigger on it. I love the PAM 51 but this one doesn't have papers.....

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Panerai-Luminor-Marina-Automatic-PAM-00051-Stainless-Steel-White-Dial-No-B-P/382471972168?_trkparms=aid=111001&algo=REC.SEED&ao=1&asc=20160908131621&meid=19a937211bb44c698e79cb4c337b82a7&pid=100678&rk=1&rkt=3&sd=382471972168&itm=382471972168&_trksid=p2481888.c100678.m3607&_trkparms=pageci:a1e638c5-912f-11e8-a9fc-74dbd180f9ab|parentrq:d906830a1640aa14637c3439fff10de8|iid:1&autorefresh=true

mmpass

Any thoughts on this one? Came up for sale on facebook with only these 2 photos: I have scoured the internet, but can't find a dial that has ALL 4 arabic numbers (12,3,6,9) with a small seconds dial;medial to the 9, and a date medial to the 3.

Hands90

Archer should just have his own forum were we just ask him questions all day.
Amazing work.

mmpass

Any thoughts on this one? Came up for sale on facebook with only these 2 photos: I have scoured the internet, but can't find a dial that has ALL 4 arabic numbers (12,3,6,9) with a small seconds dial;medial to the 9, and a date medial to the 3.

B Borbor

easiest tell for p9000 fakes are location of balance wheels.
if it isn't at 7 o'clock, it's a fake.

hungdangnguyen23

I will never buy a secondhand Panerai after reading this thread. Incredibly scary stuff.