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Hi all!
I might have the opportunity to buy this Ed White in the foreseeable future and would like to hear your thoughts about it (and how it would fit on speedmaster101’s condition charts).
I checked everything on moonwatch only and it seems all good but I might be missing some points (case condition, lume, etc.).
The hands are more yellow than the dial and seem to glow brighter for example...Otherwise, it looks spectacular to my eyes!
Thanks!


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Price is always part of the evaluation process. Is the price $1000 US or $20,000 US? What are the first two numbers of the serial numbers? I can't quite make it out. I am far from an expert and the more learned will arrive shortly, my thoughts are, the watch has seen a service that included new hands and a case refinishing. Possibly the wrong crystal/rehaut? shouldn't the rehaut be chrome/silver? IDK with any certainty.
 
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Looks very nice to me. Hands look original, Impossible to tell if they have been relumed from pictures, but original. The rehaut is correct, and the case looks fat in the right places, so not over polished. Nice bracelet and number 6 end links make up a good package. Definitely a desirable example.
 
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I think it is a very attractive watch altogether. The serial seems to be correct in range for this Reference.
The case is very nice in my opinion and has a lot of meat left. Hands do look like tritium service hands (but hard to tell), and crystal has a crack at 12 oclock.
what is the asking price?
 
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simonsays simonsays
Hands look original, Impossible to tell if they have been relumed from pictures, but original.
Me thinks you are wrong. Very wrong.
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Me thinks you are wrong. Very wrong.
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That’s a tritium style glow. Hands and dials are not made by the same people so there’s no reason why they should exactly match.
 
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Well, the owner is someone I’ve been in contact with for an other watch he sold that I missed...We had a good contact so I asked him if he had other pieces he might consider parting with and he showed me this one. From my understanding, he has had it for more than 10 years. So there was no clear asking price, but I’d like to know what would be a fair offer to make him.
Doesn’t the fact that the second hand is a drop end mean it was older than 68-ish?
Thanks for the advices!
 
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simonsays simonsays
That’s a tritium style glow. Hands and dials are not made by the same people so there’s no reason why they should exactly match.
Setting aside the the tritium question for a moment. Look at the paint on the hour, minute, sweep and 30 minute recorder hands. Much different and fresher looking than the other recorder hands.
Now, in addition to the fresher look of the paint, the color of the lume on the Hour, minute and sweep hands is a indicator of newer service hands as well. Of course nothing is 100% certain, and I would be open to a counter argument if someone could show us examples of original hands with these differences in lume color, paint and luminescence.
 
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I can’t see the details your referring to on my phone but sweep second hand and sub dial hands are all original style and not modern service items
 
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Looks really nice to me.
All correct (aka assumed original)
Very similar to my bestest 105.003-65, originally from Japan with 7912/6, pics below.
Wondering what Mr. @ndgal thinks?
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<2c opinion>
As to the lume, thicker application may glow brighter, as long as the fade-off is a match with the dial from the time the blue-light is turned off (i.e. regardless of glow, the rate of fade should match) edit: if the hands are tritium. Also, the dial lume and the hand lume look totally different with respect to aging : I would expect darkening of the hands somewhere or even just a single one, if the dial lume aged like that, but my expectations may be wrong, as this is not an exact science. I also would expect, on original hands, seeing as there is some lume loss on the dial, maybe the same (bumps? moisture? There is a reason why the dial lume aged like that, and original hands would have spent the same amount of time in the same encapsulated environment). My vote : vintage hands, not original to the watch, or even service hands that have the correct characteristics.

Looks to be in nice condition. For the head, I'd rate it no more than 6/10 (so perhaps between fair and good on the SM101 chart, being closer to 'good'). I can't see that head going for 18k though where things currently stand. Bezel looks great, case is also quite nice, so some coinage would come into play there. Don't forget to add about 2k for the bracelet and end-links.
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eugeneandresson eugeneandresson
<2c opinion>
As to the lume, thicker application may glow brighter, as long as the fade-off is a match with the dial from the time the blue-light is turned off (i.e. regardless of glow, the rate of fade should match) edit: if the hands are tritium. Also, the dial lume and the hand lume look totally different with respect to aging : I would expect darkening of the hands somewhere or even just a single one, if the dial lume aged like that, but my expectations may be wrong, as this is not an exact science. I also would expect, on original hands, seeing as there is some lume loss on the dial, maybe the same (bumps? moisture? There is a reason why the dial lume aged like that, and original hands would have spent the same amount of time in the same encapsulated environment). My vote : vintage hands, not original to the watch, or even service hands that have the correct characteristics.

Looks to be in nice condition. For the head, I'd rate it no more than 6/10 (so perhaps between fair and good on the SM101 chart, being closer to 'good'). I can't see that head going for 18k though where things currently stand. Bezel looks great, case is also quite nice, so some coinage would come into play there. Don't forget to add about 2k for the bracelet and end-links.
</2c opinion>

Thanks! I clearly see what you mean about the difference in patina between the dial and hands!
What would you say of the case? I find these flat lugs particularly hard to assess! 😀
 
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Thanks! I clearly see what you mean about the difference in patina between the dial and hands!
What would you say of the case? I find these flat lugs particularly hard to assess! 😀

I would echo what others have said : looks like what one should see for a -64, but have honestly never owned a 64 so can’t say how polished it may or may not be. I think it looks nice. @M’Bob is a hoarder of Wd Whites, and this particular reference, so maybe he can give a more valuable (5c) opinion 😀
 
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They Ed White is the one with the straight lugs, right?
I love the patinated lume on this...
 
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I agree with @eugeneandresson ’s critique, except I’d rate the watch Good.

All the bits are right, the caseback and lugs look quite good. Even the bezel is really nice.

gemini4 gemini4
Looks really nice to me.

To me too.
 
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Very appealing example. To me, the much brighter hand lume implies they did not come with the dial originally. Could be wrong but the mismatch looks too dramatic.
 
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My gut feeling is that the hands are later, but it's just a feeling. At some point the most important question is whether you find the hands and dial appealing (including the difference in color). Everyone is different.
 
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For what it’s worth I have personally seen a watchmaker clean off residue from some hands and not others leading to an apparent “mismatch” in the paint.
 
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gemini4 gemini4
Wondering what Mr. @ndgal thinks?
Looks all original to me.
Lightly polished, otherwise I see no issues.
Hands look all original.
 
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