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Opinions about SM300 166.024

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Hello.

I'm still not so deep in thematic to share my personal opinion and/or not to ask for the opinion of specialists...
In this regard, I ask you to look at the attached photos: are these watches worth our attention?

Thanks in advance..

SM300 BT.webp SM300 BT 2.webp SM300 BT 1.webp SM300 BT 3.webp SM300 BT 7.webp SM300 BT 5.webp SM300 BT 8.webp
 
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Would that many posters include such nice clear photos.

I like this design. It is often faked, frankened, or made from service parts so I can not offer much opinion in it either.
 
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It is often faked, frankened, or made from service parts so I can not offer much opinion in it either.
Right, that's why I'm asking..

166.024/165.024-references have many variations, and there's no single resource where most of them are described.
Dial has an atypical font - I assume it's authentic.
Case and bezel also look OK to me, but I'm not sure if this combination of all the elements is correct.
Same with caliber - many questions, but no canswers yet.
 
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SerP SerP
Right, that's why I'm asking..

166.024/165.024-references have many variations, and there's no single resource where most of them are described.
Dial has an atypical font - I assume it's authentic.
Case and bezel also look OK to me, but I'm not sure if this combination of all the elements is correct.
Same with caliber - many questions, but no canswers yet.
https://www.omegaseamaster300.com
 
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https://www.omegaseamaster300.com
Thank you for the link - it's well known resource which normally helps to recognize most common variations, but not all of them.

If to compare shown wristwatch with resource pictures, you'll find that nothing is match completely: not bezel (due to: all minutes marks are white), dial (due to: font slant is different), back lid (text stamping looks different).
That's actually why I asked here for opinions.
 
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side of the case looks polished, caseback like new , minute (look at!) and hour hand relumed ??.... hm.....

look at smimilar ones and compare , esp the lume of the hands
 
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side of the case looks polished, caseback like new , minute (look at!) and hour hand relumed ??.... hm.....

look at smimilar ones and compare , esp the lume of the hands
Sure, minute hand is wrong, hands relume is awful, on the dial also different tones of luminophore (big triangle vs other marks)..
So it's franken watch, made of Omega components or what it is?
 
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I wonder whether this was always a Big Triangle or whether a dial with the stubby at 12 has been over painted. Also, I know pin holes are not definitive but the absence of them on this watch is a red flag for me.
 
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I wonder whether this was always a Big Triangle or whether a dial with the stubby at 12 has been over painted. Also, I know pin holes are not definitive but the absence of them on this watch is a red flag for me.
What you say is interesting.
What do you mean by pin holes absence?

Pin hole SM300.webp
 
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SerP SerP
... are these watches worth our attention?
In short, no.

Caseback - fake.
Caseband - fake.
Bezel - fake with aftermarket 'glue on' insert.
Dial - completely repainted, in best case.
Crown and tube - wrong.
Hands - fake/wrong.
Movement - ok.

This one has been dressed up a little more than usual for the dance - leave while you can
 
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In short, no.

Caseback - fake.
Caseband - fake.
Bezel - fake with aftermarket 'glue on' insert.
Dial - completely repainted, in best case.
Crown and tube - wrong.
Hands - fake/wrong.
Movement - ok.

This one has been dressed up a little more than usual for the dance - leave while you can
Ok.. That's what was needed!
Thank you..

The item is being sold at a Swedish auction and is receiving a lot of bids.
 
Dan S
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When the case-back is so obviously fake, just stop looking and move on.
 
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Ok.. That's what was needed!
Thank you..

The item is being sold at a Swedish auction and is receiving a lot of bids.

I do not understand why people do not do their research before buying something like that. I am pretty sure that if more than one bidder thinks it is real it will go for more than $7000...
 
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I do not understand why people do not do their research before buying something like that. I am pretty sure that if more than one bidder thinks it is real it will go for more than $7000...
The problem is that there are too many fake watches on the market - many scammers want to make money on the high popularity of this model.
Many watch enthusiasts want to own this wristwatch, even more people want to buy it at a low price, and almost all of them believe in miracles.

Not all interested people know about variations of fake watches on the market and able to distinguish them.
Not all potential buyers know this forum and the smart guys here.

There is not enough information about quality fake watches in open sources, as a result of which if someone sees a well-made fake watch (that has not been previously recognized and marked as a fake), he may decide that this is a real watch.

Here it must be admitted that in some cases it is quite difficult to catch a fake (for a non-professional): especially if skilled and smart craftsman work against you.
I still find it difficult to recognize a fake SM300 165/166.024, despite the fact that I am not a newbie in the watch thematic. ((
 
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I do not understand why people do not do their research before buying something like that. I am pretty sure that if more than one bidder thinks it is real it will go for more than $7000...
It's 2.6kEUR currently. ((
 
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Do yourself a favour and try to buy a simpler, less often faked model. The vintage SM300 is a literal minefield and requires very advanced level skills to buy right. Very few have the necessary knowledge to avoid getting stung and to be honest my sympathy for those that run into problems is wearing a little thin. Probably less than 3% of the contributors on here have enough knowledge to buy one of these safely. I don't put myself in that tiny group of expertise.
 
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Complete fake, including the dial--see the date window shape... only movement is genuine Omega...
Fakers are getting better and better though!
 
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SerP SerP
What you say is interesting.
What do you mean by pin holes absence?

Pin hole SM300.webp
I trust it was about the pin holes on a dial.
https://omegaforums.net/threads/pin-holes-on-vintage-sm300.94311/ flqt-9000
Thread 'Pin holes on vintage sm300' ·
Hello OF,

I found different explanations concerning the pin holes which can be observed on the dials of the sm300s. The most reliable in my opinion are:

1) the dial was held in these points...
flqt-9000 ·
https://omegaforums.net/threads/perhaps-a-good-reference-for-how-original-lume-looks-like-on-a-165-024-seamaster-no-pin-hole.114224/ Cover Image
Thread 'Perhaps a good reference for how original lume looks like on a 165.024 Seamaster (no pin hole)' ·
I noticed the pin holes interesting nuances back in 2004 when I was so crazy over Seamaster 300 165.024, in particular the Big Triangle 12 version Back then no one really called it big triangle...
reficul_x ·
 
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I trust it was about the pin holes on a dial.
https://omegaforums.net/threads/pin-holes-on-vintage-sm300.94311/ flqt-9000
Thread 'Pin holes on vintage sm300' ·
Hello OF,

I found different explanations concerning the pin holes which can be observed on the dials of the sm300s. The most reliable in my opinion are:

1) the dial was held in these points...
flqt-9000 ·
https://omegaforums.net/threads/perhaps-a-good-reference-for-how-original-lume-looks-like-on-a-165-024-seamaster-no-pin-hole.114224/ Cover Image
Thread 'Perhaps a good reference for how original lume looks like on a 165.024 Seamaster (no pin hole)' ·
I noticed the pin holes interesting nuances back in 2004 when I was so crazy over Seamaster 300 165.024, in particular the Big Triangle 12 version Back then no one really called it big triangle...
reficul_x ·
Clear, thank you..
 
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