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Davidt
·Jewelry is an accepted spelling on this side of the Pond. We don't even use the "u" in behaviour either. 'Muricans are uncouth savages!
Barbarians!
Next you'll be telling me you don't bother with the 'U' in colour.
One-Owner 145.012 with Personalised engraving added value or not??
Barbarians!
Next you'll be telling me you don't bother with the 'U' in colour.
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Vintagewtchzilla
·all flat-earthers
"if english was good enough for jesus ... bla bla " 😉
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maxbelg
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I wonder how many Speedy-lovers could be members of the flat-earth society? Or is the moon flat too? A flat-moon society maybe?
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cristos71
·The reason it adds value to me is because it's part of the story of the one-owner watch which is still original, including bracelet.
I don't want to burst the romantic bubble here, but...If everybody is speaking the truth, then I think by now it is actually a 4 owner watch....the original owner, his son, the dealer and now you!
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maxbelg
·I don't want to burst the romantic bubble here, but...If everybody is speaking the truth, then I think by now it is actually a 4 owner watch....the original owner, his son, the dealer and now you!
Yes, you're right and that's exactly what I wrote earlier in the thread: True one-owner watches can not be sold, thereafter they're not one-owner watches anymore, they used to be one-owner watches.
Anyway the son sold the fathers watch (maybe he passed away?) to the dealer who sold it unaltered in less than 3 weeks to me....... What I understand under a "one-owner" watch is a watch worn by one person for decades and then bought without other owners having worn, serviced or altered the watch in any way in the meantime. If I sell it now I'd still consider it a one-owner watch but not once I've serviced or worn it for a while.......
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cristos71
·Yes, you're right and that's exactly what I wrote earlier in the thread: True one-owner watches can not be sold, thereafter they're not one-owner watches anymore, they used to be one-owner watches.
Anyway the son sold the fathers watch (maybe he passed away?) to the dealer who sold it unaltered in less than 3 weeks to me....... What I understand under a "one-owner" watch is a watch worn by one person for decades and then bought without other owners having worn, serviced or altered the watch in any way in the meantime. If I sell it now I'd still consider it a one-owner watch but not once I've serviced or worn it for a while.......
Interesting definition, I've always considered a one owner watch to be a watch that has had one owner!
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maxbelg
·Interesting definition, I've always considered a one owner watch to be a watch that has had one owner!
Well yes, that's true I suppose. I hope you bought a vintage Speedy many decades ago otherwise you'll never be able to own one! 😝 Unless you find un unsold one NOS!
If you buy from a dealer/ auctioneer who bought the contents of an old house etc, it can't be a one-owner watch either as it was owned by the dealer for a short time.....
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stefman
·Congrats on your new watch! Enjoy it to the max.
Look forward to seeing the extract and hope it confirms delivery to Salamanca as the dealer claims.
Look forward to seeing the extract and hope it confirms delivery to Salamanca as the dealer claims.
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Nobel Prize
··Spell Master!God forbid it’s a five owner watch!!!! Clearly then it’s not as good a watch.... I mean, it’s the same watch but.... you will have changed.
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maxbelg
·Congrats on your new watch! Enjoy it to the max.
Look forward to seeing the extract and hope it confirms delivery to Salamanca as the dealer claims.
Thanks I am enjoying it a lot already! Yes, I hope (and expect) that the extract is to Spain.
I'm going to try and keep it pretty much as is but the painted hands are just too much for me. I am considering either having the current lume on the plots stabilised and adding tritium hands (in the post) or re-lume existing hands and dial. There isn't that much lume left on the plots though. Thoughts?
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maxbelg
·God forbid it’s a five owner watch!!!! Clearly then it’s not as good a watch.... I mean, it’s the same watch but.... you will have changed.
Yes it's becoming a semantics game. 😁 Tough bunch here! 😜
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··Spell Master!By the way, for what it’s worth, on your description of the watches provenance it is indeed a one owner watch. People are just trying to push you around a little for whatever reason.
As far as ownership the dealer does not count really.
If the watch was bought by a man in the 60’s, the man dies and his son receives the watch as part of the state and then decides to sell it then the watch was still only owned and worn by one individual..... or if you want to be technical, family.
Yes, on “legal” terms omega owned it and the. the store owned it and sold it to the man and then the son owned it and sold it to the store who then owned it and sold it to you. But as far as my understanding goes on watch provenance this ones pretty straight forward.
Now if the son wore the watch for a few years before selling then it’s still a lineal provenance and at the very least you can say it’s a one state or family watch, that is, until now that you own it. So if you flip it..... then you can say the watch has been on one family’s possession until it got to you.
As far as ownership the dealer does not count really.
If the watch was bought by a man in the 60’s, the man dies and his son receives the watch as part of the state and then decides to sell it then the watch was still only owned and worn by one individual..... or if you want to be technical, family.
Yes, on “legal” terms omega owned it and the. the store owned it and sold it to the man and then the son owned it and sold it to the store who then owned it and sold it to you. But as far as my understanding goes on watch provenance this ones pretty straight forward.
Now if the son wore the watch for a few years before selling then it’s still a lineal provenance and at the very least you can say it’s a one state or family watch, that is, until now that you own it. So if you flip it..... then you can say the watch has been on one family’s possession until it got to you.
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maxbelg
·By the way, for what it’s worth, on your description of the watches provenance it is indeed a one owner watch. People are just trying to push you around a little for whatever reason.
As far as ownership the dealer does not count really.
If the watch was bought by a man in the 60’s, the man dies and his son receives the watch as part of the state and then decides to sell it then the watch was still only owned and worn by one individual..... or if you want to be technical, family.
Yes, on “legal” terms the store owner it and sold it to the man and then the son owned it and sold it to the store who then owned it and sold it to you. But as far as my understanding goes on watch provenance this ones pretty straight forward.
Now if the son wore the watch for a few years before selling then it’s still a lineal provenance and at the very least you can say it’s a one state or family watch.
Yes, that's my understanding too, which is why I think of it as a one-owner watch until such time I have it serviced, have the hands re-lumed or changed and start wearing it.
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerAs far as ownership the dealer does not count really.
Maybe to you, but it would to me. If I'm buying a "one owner" watch, it better be directly from that owner, or it's not "one owner" in my books.
To me having a watch pass through the hands of a dealer is much more significant than if passed from father to son.
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maxbelg
·Maybe to you, but it would to me. If I'm buying a "one owner" watch, it better be directly from that owner, or it's not "one owner" in my books.
To me having a watch pass through the hands of a dealer is much more significant than if passed from father to son.
Yes, but that's because most dealers can't resist the urge to "beautify" it in some way!
After I spoke to the dealer I believed him when he claims to have sold it exactly the way he received it. I also checked his website where the watch was advertised for 9500 Euro for the claimed time. I paid a lot less though! Here's the link (while it lasts) and a screen pic: https://watchesnorte.es/comprar/omega-speedmaster-pre-moon-1967/# The dealer also advertised on Chrono24 where I bought it within 1 day of the advert appearing.
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··Spell Master!Maybe to you, but it would to me. If I'm buying a "one owner" watch, it better be directly from that owner, or it's not "one owner" in my books.
To me having a watch pass through the hands of a dealer is much more significant than if passed from father to son.
Yes, but if the dealer is just servicing and flipping the watch, or bridging the sale for the son then, it’s just that. It’s not really in use by anyone, it’s just transitioning from one owner to the next through a middle man.
To some, if the dealer is reputable that is a good thing. People will pay a premium for a hoodinky or HQ Milton watch because they are buying the dealers supposed guarantee of goods, while the original owner may not have a presence in the market to warrant confidence.
When Sotheby’s sold Russel Crows watches they where selling Russell Crows watches, not Sotheby’s.
I suppose then it depends on which dealer and how long he’s had it for.... but to me owner equates to a private individual using the watch.
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerI suppose then it depends on which dealer and how long he’s had it for.... but to me owner equates to a private individual using the watch.
We have very different definitions of what "owning" something means then.
A "dealer" is not an "auction house" so yes there's a potential difference there.
If what you say is true, that collectors don't consider the dealer or middleman to be included when something is sold as "one owner" then I will look at all sales described as such with a very different view, and a very large grain of salt. It makes the term much less meaningful to me if this is the widely accepted way of looking at it.
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·We have very different definitions of what "owning" something means then.
A "dealer" is not an "auction house" so yes there's a potential difference there.
If what you say is true, that collectors don't consider the dealer or middleman to be included when something is sold as "one owner" then I will look at all sales described as such with a very different view, and a very large grain of salt. It makes the term much less meaningful to me if this is the widely accepted way of looking at it.
Of course there can be different interpretations of the concept. With your definition there are very few one-owner watches indeed! I think the issue we have and the reason it's in any way meaningful to buy a one-owner watch is trust: trust that the watch is unaltered with original parts (hopefully after speaking to the one and only owner) and maybe the romantic notion too. 😉
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