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Aditor · Dec 20, 2021

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out of curiosity, look what they sent me.
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I was ready to close the conversation when this particular case came to me from another group, similar but in my opinion yet another doubt about EOA. Evaluate yourself too.
Retrieved April 2021
Serial close to mine
Production year same month
Destination Mexico like mine
The absurd and striking thing. The archive has declared the reference 145.022 to be a caliber 321 movement.
Can I then have doubts about my watch?
I laugh at it because I can only be on the fate of an extract that could have something to say. I will evaluate whether to contest it by bringing some examples (and I already have 3).
Good evening everybody.

ps.: p.s .: Of course I have the link of the advertisement where there are thousands of other photos, but I don't think it is correct to publish it and I don't know if it is possible.

this is my EOA

remenber.. this is my EOA

Dan S · Dec 20, 2021

There are many documented examples of errors in Omega Extracts. Maybe yours is an error, maybe not. You can try again to get another Extract, or be satisfied with what you have learned and simply enjoy your watch.

Dan321 · Dec 20, 2021

I’m my opinion it’s just a massive typo by omega, obviously the 1 & 2 are next to each other and it got past Omegas quality control, we know it should say 145.012 not 145.022.
If I was you I would just accept yours isn’t an UM, unless you can find the original owner who still has the original orange hand, even if you managed to source a correct orange hand elsewhere, it would seem tainted to me as it didn’t arrive to you with the orange hand on.
Hopefully you don’t take offence to my message as it is just my opinion.

Dan321 · Dec 20, 2021

@ndgal what are you thoughts on this post, ever come across anything like this?

Aditor · Dec 20, 2021

Offend me no, because. It is an absolutely polite opinion. I have brought many watches back to coevity through parts and kits. I love vintage for this. The study of a 50/60 year old model was born from the understanding of how the watch left the factory. It is made for cars as well as watches. I don't know if I'll ever have an orange hand or if that story the owner told me is an Ultraman story, but only the discussion that has opened up to me makes buying a vintage even more motivating. As for the error, I believe it to be very serious. To me it's like a birth certificate. It is not possible to go wrong. Getting the reference wrong is like getting the name wrong. So imagine with the notes on one hand? You pay an extract and can tilt a sale or not have a watch accepted at an auction. The Omega can't afford even typos, are we kidding? Besides, I'm not a hypocrite. If I knew I had a 50k watch instead of a 9k watch, I probably wouldn't say just how beautiful the orange hand is. Then everyone can make the poem he wants. I already have 3 cases, in the same month, all to Mexico and all three Ultraman. I will no longer disturb the forum with this topic, but I will not stop in front of this adventure. I just wanted to share with you what those who think it was a mistake send me. Have a good evening

Dan321 · Dec 20, 2021

Aditor
Offend me no, because. It is an absolutely polite opinion. I have brought many watches back to coevity through parts and kits. I love vintage for this. The study of a 50/60 year old model was born from the understanding of how the watch left the factory. It is made for cars as well as watches. I don't know if I'll ever have an orange hand or if that story the owner told me is an Ultraman story, but only the discussion that has opened up to me makes buying a vintage even more motivating. As for the error, I believe it to be very serious. To me it's like a birth certificate. It is not possible to go wrong. Getting the reference wrong is like getting the name wrong. So imagine with the notes on one hand? You pay an extract and can tilt a sale or not have a watch accepted at an auction. The Omega can't afford even typos, are we kidding? Besides, I'm not a hypocrite. If I knew I had a 50k watch instead of a 9k watch, I probably wouldn't say just how beautiful the orange hand is. Then everyone can make the poem he wants. I already have 3 cases, in the same month, all to Mexico and all three Ultraman. I will no longer disturb the forum with this topic, but I will not stop in front of this adventure. I just wanted to share with you what those who think it was a mistake send me. Have a good evening

Good luck with you investigating, keep us posted please

Dan S · Dec 20, 2021

Aditor
As for the error, I believe it to be very serious. To me it's like a birth certificate. It is not possible to go wrong. Getting the reference wrong is like getting the name wrong. So imagine with the notes on one hand? You pay an extract and can tilt a sale or not have a watch accepted at an auction. The Omega can't afford even typos, are we kidding?

I understand that you don't think Omega should make any errors, but unfortunately, they are not perfect. There have been a number of threads about mistakes. Here are a few of them. Not common, but it happens. So as I said previously, maybe a mistake ... maybe not.

Of course, there are other threads about the Extract service that are more controversial, suggesting that some people can influence the information that is included on the Extract, even things like military engravings that were not done by Omega (or perhaps an orange hand). I have no idea if this is true, but it seems ... complicated.

https://omegaforums.net/threads/ext...ot-fit-to-watch-constellation-pie-pan.132225/
https://omegaforums.net/threads/rarest-of-the-omega-constellations.63244/
https://omegaforums.net/threads/197...aph-ref-145-017-cal-860-with-blue-dial.80980/
https://omegaforums.net/threads/extract-no-information-available.35161/

watchyouwant · Dec 20, 2021

Time to stop the EoA Omega Factory bashing here. The amount of unclear information in regard to millions and millions and even more millions of produced watches is miniscule. They still offer that Service. Once they go the Rolex path, you will not receive any information at all. You have to send your watches in for inspection and pay through the nose. The massive merger of information between not very good Lemania records, handwritten books at the Omega Archive to micro Fiche and now partly computer backed up information will produce human error. And here we are , expecting for a measly CHF 120 fee to get the information, we hope to get. And the movement number based archive will not give us additional information about a strange Orange Hand or gloss dials ....Send your UM to the factory for inspection, pay accordingly and live with the result. That's the Reality. Not some Orange Hand Fiction. No Fake News BS on this Forum, pls.

studeb · Dec 20, 2021

I think the issue is there is some concern about the EoA and the orange hand notation.
If someone from Omega/Swatch Group could say that there is a record of orange hands in the Archive and that it is NOT based on an accompanying photo that would go a long way. Think of this as what some car manufactures supply, what you get is based on what their records state. If the engine was replaced by a dealer and they did not send the info to the factory, then the original engine is what left the factory. If the factory did not record the SN of the orange handed watches, then they should not be stating anything about orange hands.

But i think that train has left the station.

Dan S · Dec 20, 2021

watchyouwant
Time to stop the EoA Omega Factory bashing here ... And the movement number based archive will not give us additional information about a strange Orange Hand or gloss dials ....

I did not mean to bash Omega, and I tried to emphasize that mistakes are rare. The extracts can have useful (and fun) historical information.

It sounds like you believe that the records contain no miscellaneous information about the watches into which the movements were assembled. If that's the case, then every extract indicating "Special model fitted with an orange chronograph hand" is simply based on information from the owner, not the archives. That would be disappointing. Do you know this for a fact, or is it speculation?

kov · Dec 21, 2021

Dan S
It sounds like you believe that the records contain no miscellaneous information about the watches into which the movements were assembled. If that's the case, then every extract indicating "Special model fitted with an orange chronograph hand" is simply based on information from the owner, not the archives. That would be disappointing. Do you know this for a fact, or is it speculation?

It is disappointing but it is what it is.

padders · Dec 21, 2021

The problem with the Ultraman (and perhaps one or two other special models) is historical and now they are in a bit of a hole. Watches have been given extracts in the past based on customer comments and descriptions. Now procedures have been tightened up considerably but if there is a precedent then they are in a tricky position. Where there is no definitive archive data, do they just refuse all extract requests (like they do with the Lemania Orient 2915s) or do they do what I suspect is happening and make an educated guess based on serial and appearance. Had the system been thorough all along there would be no problem, but as it is there are still questions about how a watch gets the nod and it seems the Ultraman is the most obvious example. There may well be others with something similar happening of course. How thorough are the military delivery records I wonder?

Dan S · Dec 21, 2021

padders
The problem with the Ultraman (and perhaps one or two other special models) is historical and now they are in a bit of a hole. Watches have been given extracts in the past based on customer comments and descriptions. Now procedures have been tightened up considerably but if there is a precedent then they are in a tricky position. Where there is no definitive archive data, do they just refuse all extract requests (like they do with the Lemania Orient 2915s) or do they do what I suspect is happening and make an educated guess based on serial and appearance. Had the system been thorough all along there would be no problem, but as it is there are still questions about how a watch gets the nod and it seems the Ultraman is the most obvious example. There may well be others with something similar happening of course. How thorough are the military delivery records I wonder?

If so, then US customers are potentially at a disadvantage, since we just fill in the form with serial and reference numbers and submit it by email. The web form used by the rest of the world has a way to upload a photo IIRC.

However, it doesn't seem impossible to me that the records include the fact that a given movement was used in an UM. Many people are assuming one way or the other, but I don't now if we have definitive knowledge.

Tad · Dec 21, 2021

It might be worth contacting Petros Protopapas who is head of brand heritage at Omega for a view on how they process any archive requests and whether things like special hands are actually recorded or whether they rely wholly on supplementary photos.

Tad · Dec 21, 2021

It might be worth contacting Petros Protopapas who is head of brand heritage at Omega for a view on how they process any archive requests and whether things like special hands are actually recorded or whether they rely wholly on supplementary photos.

Sherbie · Dec 21, 2021

tad
It might be worth contacting Petros Protopapas who is head of brand heritage at Omega for a view on how they process any archive requests and whether things like special hands are actually recorded or whether they rely wholly on supplementary photos.

Or maybe get someone who knows Robert-Jan at Fratello to ask Omega on behalf of the Omega collecting fraternity?

watchyouwant · Dec 21, 2021

Wouldn't it be nice .... So, action started ! Or ? Who is contacting Mr. Protopapas about Orange Hands mentioned in the Archive books ( maybe micro Fiche already? ) and who is talking to Fratello? And who is buying the newly produced, correct orange hands from Vietnam to create 100 new Ultra Man watches ? Or will that diminish the known UM and start a price correction? Pls. Keep us posted .

Archer · Dec 21, 2021

watchyouwant
Time to stop the EoA Omega Factory bashing here. The amount of unclear information in regard to millions and millions and even more millions of produced watches is miniscule. They still offer that Service. Once they go the Rolex path, you will not receive any information at all. You have to send your watches in for inspection and pay through the nose. The massive merger of information between not very good Lemania records, handwritten books at the Omega Archive to micro Fiche and now partly computer backed up information will produce human error. And here we are , expecting for a measly CHF 120 fee to get the information, we hope to get. And the movement number based archive will not give us additional information about a strange Orange Hand or gloss dials ....Send your UM to the factory for inspection, pay accordingly and live with the result. That's the Reality. Not some Orange Hand Fiction. No Fake News BS on this Forum, pls.

I agree to stop "bashing" when they stop doing stupid things, like adding comments about a hand based solely on photos. The process has turned into a joke since the requirement for photos was started.

For me there are three distinct time periods for extracts. There was the "wild west" time when they would add things in the comments that people asked them to - not an extract of an archive in that case.

They then tightened things up a lot, so no more comments added, and they only required the serial number to get the extract (case number was optional). This era didn't last long, but for me it is the most reliable era, and most reflected what a proper extract process should be.

Then the change to require photos (except for the US, because internets) and now we are back to nonsense and not really extracts.

I realize there are a lot of vested interests in this, so it's never an easy conversation, but quite frankly what they are doing now is almost worse than what the first era was.

So is the solution to stay quiet as you suggest, or push for changes to get the process to be more of what it claims to be - an actual extract of the archives. I think the latter is in the interest of the wider audience, but the former will be of interest to a few certainly...

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