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Omega Vintage Cioccolatone 3903 Gold 18kt Automatic -1947yr.
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DirtyDozen12
··Thanks, mystery donor!Thanks a lot for sharing this. It looks to me more than a schematic image than a picture. Additionally, that's for 1951, 4 years later than mine..plus I really can't tell if the difference is due to the way of shooting in fact.
https://www.vintage-oyster.com/epag...?ObjectPath=/Shops/es706384/Products/OM161200
https://www.horology411.com/product-page/omega-dw2513-calibre-283-manual-wind-2513-4
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DirtyDozen12
··Thanks, mystery donor!P.S. Here are a couple more extracts with production dates of 1947, just in case you thought the one that I posted was an anomaly. I would be interested to see an extract with a production date of 1947 and a serial number of greater than 12'000'000. You could always order an extract and quell any doubts. See here: https://www.omegawatches.com/customer-service/extract-of-the-archives
https://bulangandsons.com/products/omega-chronometer-reference-2398-dress-watch-w1525
https://omegaforums.net/threads/chr...rs-dial-w-omega-extract-of-the-archives.7100/
https://bulangandsons.com/products/omega-chronometer-reference-2398-dress-watch-w1525
https://omegaforums.net/threads/chr...rs-dial-w-omega-extract-of-the-archives.7100/
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George K.
·
besides the ones inside the case??
Couldn't also find it anywhere, even while I was questioning what a couple of old Gold watch dealers were telling me about.
But I must admit, it is hard for me even to imagine that a watchmaking company with such a story, finesse and style can hurt its watch's face (case) image for this purpose..
What's the indication for 14 or 18kts b.t.w.?
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gatorcpa
··ΩF InvestiGatorWhat's the indication for 14 or 18kts b.t.w.?
14K Swiss hallmark is a squirrel. 18K is Helvetia (sometimes called Queen’s Head, as it looks like Queen Victoria).
These are usually too small to be seen with normal photography. With Omega, you have to open the case and look inside for the larger versions.
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MtV
·Can you please share the source you found, pointing that Omega used outside hallmarks in order to indicate case gold karads
besides the ones inside the case??
If you use the forum search you’ll find some more info on it. I’m sure I’ve learned this here at some point and since then seen hundreds of examples. Just a few pics I had available from my own watches:
And something different: A 60s US collection SMDV that simply says “14k gold” in between the lugs:
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cristos71
·Can you please share the source you found, pointing that Omega used outside hallmarks in order to indicate case gold karads
besides the ones inside the case??
Couldn't also find it anywhere, even while I was questioning what a couple of old Gold watch dealers were telling me about.
Please enlighten me about the crown ,because the watchmaker who checked the watch a week ago, told me it is sure the original item overworked with the 3/4 of a century use
A couple of watchmakers and watch dealers told me exactly the same...but also advised me not to do anything prior to be seen by anyone who would like to see it or buy it....
Can't and don't want to argue with you...I told you what I was told long time ago, from a collector and watch seller for 45 years..
And that came after a question of mine of what that mark in several watches was about...
..... And a couple of watch dealers that have checked it, told me nothing about having something out of the Omega parts after they opened it.
It seems to me that you profess to have been advised about this watch by watch collectors, watch sellers, watch dealers, watch makers and gold sellers yet nobody has previously told you that it has a re-dial?
Also I find it very hard to believe that you asked a 'gold watch dealer' specifically about outside case hallmarks on this Omega watch and they couldn't tell you anything!?
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TexOmega
·And, some countries required by law the gold hallmark be marked on the outside of a case.
So, Omega had no choice, and the importer had to stamp them if not so marked.
So, Omega had no choice, and the importer had to stamp them if not so marked.
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ConElPueblo
·Can you please share the source you found, pointing that Omega used outside hallmarks in order to indicate case gold karads
besides the ones inside the case??
Couldn't also find it anywhere, even while I was questioning what a couple of old Gold watch dealers were telling me about.
But I must admit, it is hard for me even to imagine that a watchmaking company with such a story, finesse and style can hurt its watch's face (case) image for this purpose..
What's the indication for 14 or 18kts b.t.w.?
ALL Swiss gold cases made in that era had to be marked with two gold hallmark denoting what carat it was made of and these had to be on the midcase - no outside marking of the caseback. On 99% of Omegas, these hallmarks are on the rear of the lugs, though in few cases - often due to the size and/or shape of the lugs, I guess - they are placed on the sides. Other countries had different rules.
Swiss made Omega cases are always either 14 or 18 carat, here are the symbols:
On this Omega Seamaster you can make out the hallmarks on the top and bottom left lugs:
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DirtyDozen12
··Thanks, mystery donor!Patek Philippe were no exception.
https://mimandcroket.com/project/96/
https://thekeystone.com/products/pa...i-chronograph-ref-1463?variant=39778908962980
https://mimandcroket.com/project/96/
https://thekeystone.com/products/pa...i-chronograph-ref-1463?variant=39778908962980
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George K.
·Patek Philippe were no exception.
https://mimandcroket.com/project/96/
https://thekeystone.com/products/pa...i-chronograph-ref-1463?variant=39778908962980
Although I can't understand why my watch had enough place (lungs) for these hallmarks and other same reference had not..
I tried to take a photo... the best results I got follow..
And the link which explains everything...but with a quick view there isn't any citation regarding hallmarks placed on the sides....anyway..
Thanks a lot !!!
https://www.vintagewatchstraps.com/swisshallmarks.php
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MSNWatch
··Vintage Omega AficionadoIn all honesty this is a parts watch - worth the melt gold value plus maybe $100 for the movement. Case has been polished significantly, dial has been poorly redialled, crown is wrong and hands are wrong and/or damaged. It takes a seasoned collector about 30 seconds to figure this out.
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TexOmega
·I would suggest engaging better qualified "experts".......Happy you found OF to assist you.
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Evitzee
·Hallmarks are an interesting topic all on their own. The requirements per country are specific. Anyone who has a Speedmaster with a gold bezel (Apollo 11 50th, some Tokyo 2020's and others) will have the required hallmarks on the underside of the bezel at the 12 o'clock position. Here is a shot under a Sedna gold bezel for one of 2020 Tokyo Speedmasters. I suspect most owners never louped the underside to discover them.
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George K.
·It seems to me that you profess to have been advised about this watch by watch collectors, watch sellers, watch dealers, watch makers and gold sellers yet nobody has previously told you that it has a re-dial?
Also I find it very hard to believe that you asked a 'gold watch dealer' specifically about outside case hallmarks on this Omega watch and they couldn't tell you anything!?
You find hard to believe that professional guys- dealers etc. don't talk too much ,especially when there is no profit for them..
That's fine by me..
I guess that's good for you because it shows you were luckier than me..
To be honest, I asked a lot of guys mentioned before.. I also e-mailed Omega and several Auction houses....
I have a complete file of e-mails and messages , showing extraordinary things by now...from indifference, to avoidance any responsibility or sharing any kind of Knowledge..
The funniest thing was with a couple of European Auctioneers that asked me to send the watch to them in order to estimate it , besides the fact that I had sent everyone, a lot of photos.. One of them even tried to convince me that the reference of the watch is 3950 and it has no value as a watch, but lucky for me, he could buy it as gold scrap ......
Still laughting I must say..it was then that I understood and start searching more ..
It is easy for somebody to be suspicious I guess....But as I told you before, I'm grateful to you for sharing your knowledge...In no case I have second thoughts of selling anything , so everyone is free by me to think or believe what he likes....
After all,it was Carl Jung the first who mentioned about mirrors ...and if I recall right, it was me who asked for your opinion- experience about any Selling Data base (auctions e.t.c.) results you know, with the specific characteristics for 1947 Omega watch or earlier...
Can't say though, it was very educational the questions, answers and chatting I had with everyone.. ...
I'm much more than grateful for this...
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George K.
·P.S. Here are a couple more extracts with production dates of 1947, just in case you thought the one that I posted was an anomaly. I would be interested to see an extract with a production date of 1947 and a serial number of greater than 12'000'000. You could always order an extract and quell any doubts. See here: https://www.omegawatches.com/customer-service/extract-of-the-archives
https://bulangandsons.com/products/omega-chronometer-reference-2398-dress-watch-w1525
https://omegaforums.net/threads/chr...rs-dial-w-omega-extract-of-the-archives.7100/
No , in fact I don't have any proofs ...it was what my father had told me and of course the watch I'm looking right now..
As far as I recall , I can't remember selling you anything in order to prove something...
Did I miss anything else besides your advertising message ?? Am I liable for something ?
I already knew the drill by the Omega itself.....thanks anyway....That's their e-mail by the way...
<<Thank you very much for your mail and for sharing the photograph of this beautiful vintage OMEGA watch with us.
Regretfully, we cannot share production figures information for vintage watches nor give evaluations on their value as this is indeed a whole different business practice than what OMEGA Watches Co does.
However, you can find information on vintage watches at this page : https://www.omegawatches.com/de-ch/vintage-watches
and some information specifically on your wrist watch here : https://www.omegawatches.com/de-ch/watch-omega-other-omega-ot-3903
We remain at your disposal and kind regards,>>
( I missed deliberately the name and the country Team for my reasons...Sorry about that..)
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George K.
·In all honesty this is a parts watch - worth the melt gold value plus maybe $100 for the movement. Case has been polished significantly, dial has been poorly redialled, crown is wrong and hands are wrong and/or damaged. It takes a seasoned collector about 30 seconds to figure this out.
Perhaps it is the most valuable opinion I had for months !!
It was exactly what someone who had just signed a shipping great deal back then, needed to buy, in order to celebrate the occasion and the rest of the month as a tourist in Switzerland.
I really thank you from the bottom of my heart.. It's one of these moments in Web-life which emoticons are totally useless ...
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KLXN
·Ah, I love these types of topics. You can almost feel the emotions of the author. Being full of hopes (either to sell something or just to have something special). Carefully selecting information that can help and rejecting anything that can harm this beautiful vision.
Usually, these topics end with the conclusion that anonymous experts know better than users here, and actually no opinions were needed as it was only about some specific request for information.
So I guess we are near the finish 🙁
Usually, these topics end with the conclusion that anonymous experts know better than users here, and actually no opinions were needed as it was only about some specific request for information.
So I guess we are near the finish 🙁
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George K.
·Ah, I love these types of topics. You can almost feel the emotions of the author. Being full of hopes (either to sell something or just to have something special). Carefully selecting information that can help and rejecting anything that can harm this beautiful vision.
Usually, these topics end with the conclusion that anonymous experts know better than users here, and actually no opinions were needed as it was only about some specific request for information.
So I guess we are near the finish 🙁
My dear KLXN ...
After thanking you for your free and voluntarily diagnosis, I honestly feel the need to declare that I couldn't agree more with you..
I can really feel and even smell your happiness now.....and as I want being useful to you and to your vision (whatever that might be), please don't hesitate to tell me if there is anything more I can do or ask, in order for you to gain more than these 3 minutes of pleasure and publicity here...
Please try to remember the old saying which still valid over time...
""You usually judge the others by yourself."" (My one yen wisdom )
Thanks for being as polite as you can. Take care...
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