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I guess it was just intentionally provocative then… still…
How so? Even you acknowledged that there are dealers here, so what is intentionally provocative about me acknowledging it?

BTW that word was there to exclude collectors, but it seems you saw it as something else? Very odd...

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but a think there’s a lot of cynicism from people who’ve seen it all before.
Fully agreed. Cynical of people posting links, cynical of the responses, etc.
 
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How so? Even you acknowledged that there are dealers here, so what is intentionally provocative about me acknowledging it?

BTW that word was there to exclude collectors, but it seems you saw it as something else? Very odd...


Fully agreed. Cynical of people posting links, cynical of the responses, etc.
You love to poke don’t you 🤦‍♂️
 
Archer
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You love to poke don’t you 🤦‍♂️
I'm just replying to your posts to me. You implied I was being intentionally provocative, so I tried to explain why what I said actually wasn't and ask why you saw it that way. Then you resort to personal attacks. ::facepalm1::
 
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I'm just replying to your posts to me. You implied I was being intentionally provocative, so I tried to explain why what I said actually wasn't and ask why you saw it that way. Then you resort to personal attacks. ::facepalm1::
You do you.
 
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While I'm not sure of the purpose of posting links to live auctions if one did not have specific questions about a lot, I would resign as a moderator here if the forum were to ban links to auctions.

This forum is all about open and honest dialogue and education. Once censorship starts, there is no turning back. I'm sorry if it cuts into the margins of some of our professional dealer (or advanced collector) members, but IMO everyone should have an opportunity to bid if they want to.
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I'm not suggesting a ban. Obviously, if someone is seriously considering being a bidder, and has legitimate questions, and doesn't know who to ask by PM, that is a very different scenario.

But I think people should give some thought as to whether advertising a live auction is the best way to accomplish the goal they are supposedly pursuing. And to understand possible negative consequences to the same people they are supposedly trying to help.

I wonder if the OP would have advertised the auction if he had been planning to bid. 🤔
 
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I guess it was just intentionally provocative then… still…


I’m fairly certain sure there isn’t any rule here about this (and I agree it’s not really fair to pile on to an OP who’s only trying to help), but I’ve seen threads like this where an OP turns out to be the actual owner, where an OP pumps a reference they own at every possibility, and so on. I’m not questioning the OPs motives here, but a think there’s a lot of cynicism from people who’ve seen it all before.
I see nothing wrong in an owner promoting his auction.
I am sure the OP is not the owner in this case, just speaking in general.
Well, it can been seen as a sly move if someone pretends not to be the owner, but I see no reason why someone should feel the need to hide that.
I think why some auctions “fly under the radar” is because they don’t have the means to advertise much, and why some owners give their watches to such auctions houses is because they don’t have the means to go to a bigger auction house. So hushing it up so it will go for cheaper though may be financially beneficial and satisfying, isn’t something that should be aggressively promoted especially in a well regarded forum like this.
 
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Not to interject in the sidebar discussions...but I will share one experience on this issue. Sometime back a board member posted about an auction for a watch. Since I am usually more reactive than proactive in terms of searching, I don't have settings to help me find items that I might be interested in. But that particular auction was for a piece that I liked, so I sent a PM (or maybe added a post) to ask if the OP would have a problem if I made a bid. There was no response so I did make a bid, and "won" the auction at a rational price. I don't know if others here were upset with the OP posting about the auction. Like a lot of things, my guess is that (as above) some were happy with the OP posting the auction (including me) and others may have been upset. In any event, hard to keep everyone happy all the time. Peace-out.
 
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I'm not suggesting a ban. Obviously, if someone is seriously considering being a bidder, and has legitimate questions, and doesn't know who to ask by PM, that is a very different scenario.

But I think people should give some thought as to whether advertising a live auction is the best way to accomplish the goal they are supposedly pursuing. And to understand possible negative consequences to the same people they are supposedly trying to help.

I wonder if the OP would have advertised the auction if he had been planning to bid. 🤔
I don’t know about op. But if I come across an auction, let’s say a submariner for 5k estimate ( my wet dream) will I go around advertising it? Hell no. Will I pray and hope no body sees it and I can get it for cheaps at the owners expense? Yes I will, I am in no way perfect and god knows I want that watch.
But if someone advertise that in forum will I confront him? No. Because I have no grounds to do that. Best I would do is ignore that post.
 
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I see nothing wrong in an owner promoting his auction.
I am sure the OP is not the owner in this case, just speaking in general.
Well, it can been seen as a sly move if someone pretends not to be the owner, but I see no reason why someone should feel the need to hide that.
I think why some auctions “fly under the radar” is because they don’t have the means to advertise much, and why some owners give their watches to such auctions houses is because they don’t have the means to go to a bigger auction house. So hushing it up so it will go for cheaper though may be financially beneficial and satisfying, isn’t something that should be aggressively promoted especially in a well regarded forum like this.
In almost all cases the reach of even small auction houses is massive, as long as they’re signed up with one of the big aggregators like The Saleroom, Invaluable, etc. I’m pretty sure that anyone using these sites knows how effective they are at getting lots to reach market value however poorly listed they are.

I suppose there are auction houses that are still operating in the dark ages, that don’t advertise at all and rely on a physical viewing and in person bidding, but I’d wager that almost everyone who found a TA hidden in such an auction would keep quiet and try and get it for themselves.

I certainly agree that members shouldn’t be “aggressively” pushing their own preferences, but members are entitled to their own preferences.
 
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I wonder if the OP would have advertised the auction if he had been planning to bid. 🤔
My guess is probably not, but it’s not up to
me to make that call.
gatorcpa
 
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I am trying to understand this post/thread and the answers around it…
And since I have a Phd in FU´s/misunderstandings, why not break it down before the cute kittens show up?
😉

The OP posted an ongoing auction, with the name of the auction house.
He does have a great interest in this reference (scroll down, and you can see his posts!!).
And maybe got carried away about it and wanted to share with the Forum?
Some of us gets carried away from time to time?

And he got a lot of answers that he did not expect, I think that he wanted a discussion about the watch itself.
And naturally, he replied back, even though the tone could have been a bit softer.

After that everything went South (I love the expression, but I really don´t understand it 😄)!

Accusing the OP to ”boost” an auction/watch is a bit farfetched….
The idea of posting your own watch that is up for an auction is a bit unusual,
and doing this on our Forum feels a bit useless, the ones in search for this reference already has the watch on their radar.

The topic regarding posting ongoing auctions has been up for debate a few times, and I have also been in the crossfire..!

But since I have been diagnosed for Speedyauctionitus, most of you Guys have cut me some slack!

Back to the issue:
All auction houses have an on-line service, and most of them are connected to web based platforms.
Every watch that are of interest gets lots of attention, and of course they get lots of bids (most of the time).
The auction houses might set a very low estimate, but it is actually worthless.

You can´t think that you are ”alone” with the watch, and make a large score…these days are loooong gone.
You might get lucky if the auction is midweek and during working hours.
You could also be a bit gutzzzzy and take a chance on a really crapy picture/description - but this rarely happens.

Almost all of my Speedyposts have been done after the auction,
since I don´t want to disturb/stress a Forum member (or ruffle some feathers) wanting to bid on the watch.
Some have been posted before the auction, but often with some questions that I had,
and with no direct links to the auction itself (I might have linked one or two…🤔).
And I often learn something new!


One of the most important things going in a battle for a watch that you desire is to read up on the watch, check the details, check again,
ask questions if you are unsure, feel confident - and bid HARD!

To the OP - keep on posting, but maybe with some thoughts about how you express yourself.
It is always fun to read about watches, and those that are rare are even more interesting!

And to the rest of the Forum - This is a Forum about watches (and not the cure to cancer, world peace etc),
maybe take a step back sometimes, and not immediately ”bring out the guns”?

We are here to enjoy and share our thoughts, feelings and experiences about watches.

THE END!
❤️
 
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Years ago vintage omega information was scarce and finds were more plentiful but supply was also less. Now there is a lot more information available, finds are much harder to come by but supply is much more abundant. I much prefer the latter situation.
 
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Still here folks it’s nice to know who’s who, I have an omega thin arrow and lots have commented not just on here how nice they are so thought I’d share, thing is I’m on a few other forums and I’ve never known a more bitter bunch, if you were all so worried about more people knowing about the auction maybe you should of kept quiet.
Most other forums know exactly what auctions are coming up and talk about them, I just enlightened maybe a few that didn’t, you don’t have to worry about me no more because I won’t be coming back.
Just a word of advice try to be nice to people I too often see a simple question and so called experts instead of helping just say stupid things and on the attack straight away, it really is pathetic because some folks want to learn and when someone from the old guard who thinks they know everything and really don’t know much at all start to be rude for no reason because they’ve been on here years and think they are the experts, anyway try to learn from this it’s really not a big deal.
 
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you don’t have to worry about me no more because I won’t be coming back.
Bummer. I was just about to gift you an upgrade.
 
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There are over 86,000 OF members. How many of them bitched about the auction being called out? It is far less than 1%, so not sure how that makes it a 'bitter bunch'. I suspect most of us are fine with live auctions being shown. After all, why would anyone want to see a watch owner give up a watch for less than they should have, just for someone else's personal gain?

People act like the auction houses are the owners, but they are not. Not all people that list with auction houses truly know which ones will ensure they get the highest sales price. But the owners put faith in the houses. Every 'steal' someone gets by winning an auction a bit below market place means the watch owner (an heir, etc.) is not getting fair value. How does one sleep at night knowing the owner left a lot of $ on the table without knowing any better?
 
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After that everything went South (I love the expression, but I really don´t understand it 😄)!
One theory is that this is a reference to dying, among some Native American peoples. I dont know if other countries share the expression, maybe a fellow horologist/etemologist can comment?
 
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But since I have been diagnosed for Speedyauctionitus, most of you Guys have cut me some slack!
Speedyauctionitis (sp)
 
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