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Omega Speedmaster or Rolex Daytona.

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All of your points are spot on. However, lux product is anything but logical. When you are stepping out of a $10k bracket, you are crossing into ultra lux. At this point, design and engineering logics get tossed out the window. At this price point forward, it's entirely an emotional purchase.

Legacy watches aren't sold on their mechanical excellence. I bought ( well, hunted and jumped over 632 hoops while singing the alphabet in reverse) an AP because my boss couldn't get it. I make sure I wear it every Friday with short sleeves. Worth every penny.
This is the point I am trying to make to the OP- these are for totally different markets (not to say different buyers- as we have seen many here own both). It doesn’t matter that they are both watches made of similar materials and function similarly. It’s how they are marketed and who is buying them that is the biggest difference. You can’t separate that from the equation.

The Speedmaster has historically been just a well made utility sport watch. It’s was never viewed as “lux” and in fact when looking at literature prior to the last 25 years it was always in the sport section of Omega’s catalogs and not the “luxury” section like the precious metal watches were. It is priced higher than many that are just as capable at their jobs but not so astronomical that it can’t be afforded by many people who plan for their nice watch purchase and can walk in off the street and buy it.
The Daytona on the other hand has been one of Rolex’s top tier watches for at least 30 years. They have marketed it as luxury and aspirational. It’s limited supply compared to the Speedmaster speaks to their desire to keep it exclusive.
 
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The other notable thing about the Rolex is that because it is marketed as aspirational to potential customers is also aspirational to burglars and muggers!
So you may get to enjoy your purchase for many years, but you may spend those years worrying about it..... and of course the crooks may well be the one's to end up enjoying your purchase, especially whist they shoot up the drugs they bought with the money they got fencing you Rolex!..... Enjoy 😁
 
JwRosenthal
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Since we are comparing all things relative and superior, perhaps we should throw this into the mix against the Speedmaster and the Daytona.

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Trusted by military forces for decades, far more complications than either, superior accuracy in timekeeping and has also been to space…..oh, sorry Daytona…womp-womp.
 
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This is the point I am trying to make to the OP- these are for totally different markets (not to say different buyers- as we have seen many here own both). It doesn’t matter that they are both watches made of similar materials and function similarly. It’s how they are marketed and who is buying them that is the biggest difference. You can’t separate that from the equation.

The Speedmaster has historically been just a well made utility sport watch. It’s was never viewed as “lux” and in fact when looking at literature prior to the last 25 years it was always in the sport section of Omega’s catalogs and not the “luxury” section like the precious metal watches were. It is priced higher than many that are just as capable at their jobs but not so astronomical that it can’t be afforded by many people who plan for their nice watch purchase and can walk in off the street and buy it.
The Daytona on the other hand has been one of Rolex’s top tier watches for at least 30 years. They have marketed it as luxury and aspirational. It’s limited supply compared to the Speedmaster speaks to their desire to keep it exclusive.
Agree, apples and oranges.
 
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JwRosenthal JwRosenthal
Since we are comparing all things relative and superior, perhaps we should throw this into the mix against the Speedmaster and the Daytona.

IMG_3076.webp


Trusted by military forces for decades, far more complications than either, superior accuracy in timekeeping and has also been to space…..oh, sorry Daytona…womp-womp.
Also a space watch, used extensively on the ISS
 
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Don't see the far superior. Don't see it. Not the market hype, but the watches themselves.
Finally! You get it!

You don't see it like I do. So why do you ask other's opinions?

You like the Daytona, right? You think it's better than the Speedy. Nothing I say can convince you otherwise. In fact, you probably think I actually like the Daytona but am just saying I don't, because who doesn't like the Daytona, right?

To me, the modern Daytona looks like Lego made a watch. It's a mismatch of bits and pieces that don't blend well. It's like it was designed by a committee who had a list of items that a watch was supposed to have. It looks over designed, like a new car with too many curves, bumpers too big, too many different materials stuck on, with no place for the eye to rest.

The Speedy on the other hand is perfectly balanced, a classic design that I never tire of looking at. And I don't care if other people recognize that. I'm happy to meet other Speedmaster fans, but it doesn't matter if people don't like it. That's a big difference between a Daytona and a Speedmaster.

You asked.
 
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It has got to be the Speedmaster. Looks so much nicer and just a great assembly of parts. The Daytona is beautiful, certainly high quality, it's just too much for me. Really, though, if I wanted a superb chronograph, it'd be the Damasko DC86 or another central seconds chronograph. I'm over 30 minute registers.
 
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I believe best out of three Rock, Paper, Scissors should be used as a tie breaker to bring this dilemma to a meaningful conclusion.
 
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I believe best out of three Rock, Paper, Scissors should be used as a tie breaker to bring this dilemma to a meaningful conclusion.
The papers you get with the nice shiny new watch when you buy it,
the rock is what you accidentally smash it against the 1st time you wear it,
the scissors are for cutting up the papers out of frustration, when they refuse to fix the obvious accident damage under warranty!
😀
 
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It's like it was designed by a committee who had a list of items that a watch was supposed to have. It looks over designed, like a new car with too many curves, bumpers too big, too many different materials stuck on, with no place for the eye to rest.
It’s a Camel.

A horse designed by a committee.
 
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The other notable thing about the Rolex is that because it is marketed as aspirational to potential customers is also aspirational to burglars and muggers!
So you may get to enjoy your purchase for many years, but you may spend those years worrying about it..... and of course the crooks may well be the one's to end up enjoying your purchase, especially whist they shoot up the drugs they bought with the money they got fencing you Rolex!..... Enjoy 😁
To this point, have traveled a lot and never worried much about getting Shanghai'd for my watch. Many times will be wearing my Speedie or Seamaster on a nato and robbers don't give it a second glance. It's like nato = not worth it in their eyes. If I'm going somewhere dodgy, then will throw on a casio for the day time and thieves look and go "it's not worth the time." All about going under the radar.
 
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Did we ever establish if Steve McQueen was the coolest man ever? I forget.
 
JwRosenthal
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Did we ever establish if Steve McQueen was the coolest man ever? I forget.

Chuck Norris would have kicked Steve McQueen’s cancer’s ass.
 
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Nope! Steve McQueen, Chuck Norris wasnt on the US ISDT team, in fact I have never seen him on a bike. Martial arts are some what cool, but the practitioners are often tiresome.

Oh yeah, Speedy offcourse! There is a difference of going to the moon and waddeling to the yacht club.
 
JwRosenthal
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And since we are on page 3

SNORKEL

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Singer dial with insane legibility, in-house movement, CB case water resistant to 666 feet- far surpassing either the Speedmaster or Daytona.

One more page until cat pics.
 
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You like the Daytona, right? You think it's better than the Speedy. Nothing I say can convince you otherwise. In fact, you probably think I actually like the Daytona but am just saying I don't, because who doesn't like the Daytona, right?

To me, the modern Daytona looks like Lego made a watch. It's a mismatch of bits and pieces that don't blend well. It's like it was designed by a committee who had a list of items that a watch was supposed to have.
Spot on - it's a watch that for whatever reason that I have never found to be even remotely attractive. The vintage models are a tiny bit better, but even those aren't watches I desire at all.
 
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Spot on - it's a watch that for whatever reason that I have never found to be even remotely attractive. The vintage models are a tiny bit better, but even those aren't watches I desire at all.
If they still looked like this, then I would think they are attractive

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