Omega Speedmaster Apollo 11 50th Anniversary in Steel - Expectations

nismo · May 11, 2019

Lurk41
@MCG555 6969 being a too big volume, that part I can understand it. Just keep in mind that production of Steel LE was not known (at least by me) from the beginning
About the 3861, it wasn't announced before March. So they cannot have made it clear since January that they will use the 3861

@VjaceCZ where did you find that official statement? The only one I can find about the 321 is the one about its come back...
These are the list of the official press releases made by Omega this year: https://www.swatchgroup.com/en/news?year=2019&month=1&field_news_type_target_id=All&ref_brand=67
The only thing I can find on educated websites is that the 321 production will not be limited. Nothing about not use it in some LE watches on top of a low numbered but unlimited version of a 321 watch

I even managed to find in this very forum some posts about the LE (in general) back from February and with "confirmation" that the 321 will be used.

So, sorry about that but it is clear that back then there was no announcement about the movement that will or will not be in the LE. So yep, communication mistake if they do not use the 321 in a 50th anniversary LE...

Please go back earlier in this thread or use the search function in this thread. We've stated it several times now.

https://www.fratellowatches.com/overview-omega-speedmaster-apollo-xi-models/

What we do know for sure, is that Omega is saving up their caliber 321 for a different model. Omega clearly stated during the official Speedy Tuesday get-together in Biel earlier this year, that the Apollo XI 50th anniversary will not have this movement. This message upset some of the Speedmaster fans, but I would say that perhaps we should wait first to see what Omega will come up with before we start complaining on social media and forums (although that seems to be the trend these days).

SpeedyPhill · May 11, 2019

MCG555 · May 11, 2019

Lurk41
@MCG555 6969 being a too big volume, that part I can understand it. Just keep in mind that production of Steel LE was not known (at least by me) from the beginning
About the 3861, it wasn't announced before March. So they cannot have made it clear since January that they will use the 3861

@VjaceCZ where did you find that official statement? The only one I can find about the 321 is the one about its come back...
These are the list of the official press releases made by Omega this year: https://www.swatchgroup.com/en/news?year=2019&month=1&field_news_type_target_id=All&ref_brand=67
The only thing I can find on educated websites is that the 321 production will not be limited. Nothing about not use it in some LE watches on top of a low numbered but unlimited version of a 321 watch

I even managed to find in this very forum some posts about the LE (in general) back from February and with "confirmation" that the 321 will be used.

So, sorry about that but it is clear that back then there was no announcement about the movement that will or will not be in the LE. So yep, communication mistake if they do not use the 321 in a 50th anniversary LE...

If you did not get the right info, it does not mean it was not there!
Maybe you should have a) read a couple more of the now 46 pages and b) filter the right from the not so right info... 😉

MCG555 · May 11, 2019

SpeedyPhill
🥱

😁

Ian_km · May 11, 2019

First time I’ve heard sapphire, just when I was getting acclimatised to two tone!

Will see what it looks like, then decide 50th or vintage.

Lurk41 · May 11, 2019

MCG555
If you did not get the right info, it does not mean it was not there!
Maybe you should have a) read a couple more of the now 46 pages and b) filter the right from the not so right info... 😉

I cannot deny that 😀

Still, in my previous post I was only talking about the info we have during / very soon after the 321 announcement, and a little bit before that is was a mistake to announce it without the intention of using it for the 50th (and not telling it right away). The fact the the steel LE won't have the 321 (neither the one I called 3321) and that it will be a 3861, it was known way later (waaaay later AFAIAC), and I digested it since my first "dream" post 😉

So, I still think 321 or improved one would have been better, still think the order they gave the info was a mistake given they won't use it, but won't complain anymore to have the 3861 in the steel LE

abrod520 · May 11, 2019

Archer
In the watch and watch repair world "yellow" refers to gold or gold tone, and "white" refers to SS, white gold, platinum, etc. So if you for example ask your local parts supply house for a generic crown for a watch, you specify "white" or "yellow". Same thing for an acrylic crystal with a tension ring in it - it will be Y for yellow (gold) or W for white (silver). It's just the particular lingo in this industry - all industries have their own.

Here's what I can tell you about the sapphire crystal shape:

Diameter - 34.2 mm
Height - 4.8 mm
Shape - convex
Outside radius - 145 mm
Inside radius - 143.4 mm
Thickness to the center - 1.6 mm

Interesting bit of information - out of curiosity, how is the distinction handled when there are actual yellow elements, such as on the DSOTM Apollo 8 watch?

As to the sapphire - how does that compare to the standard Speedmaster sapphire crystal, is it the same part or a new one?

Evitzee · May 11, 2019

Two-tone!! Sapphire!! Ceramic bezel!! 3861 movement and no 321!! 6969 pcs!! $9.6k!!

Eek!! 😲 It's too much to bear as we throw our collective dresses over our heads and rush to mommy for comfort. Interesting to see grown(?) men getting worked up in a lather about a watch they haven't seen.

Archer · May 11, 2019

abrod520
As to the sapphire - how does that compare to the standard Speedmaster sapphire crystal, is it the same part or a new one?

It's not the same crystal, so the crystal for the 311.33.42.30.01.002 is as follows (same order):

34.2
4.65
concave
145
143.2
1.8

Lurk41 · May 11, 2019

@Evitzee There will be no fun left once we see it 😁

Bushido · May 11, 2019

Evitzee
Two-tone!! Sapphire!! Ceramic bezel!! 3861 movement and no 321!! 6969 pcs!! $9.6k!!

Eek!! 😲 It's too much to bear as we throw our collective dresses over our heads and rush to mommy for comfort. Interesting to see grown(?) men getting worked up in a lather about a watch they haven't seen.

At this point, you have made repeated condescending and antagonistic posts in this thread. Other than simple trolling, what exactly is your motivation?

This is an enthusiast forum. Ergo, you will find people express enthusiasm. If the discussion is so irksome, stop clicking into the thread. Let people be excited about what they choose. You're not, we get it, move on.

MCG555 · May 11, 2019

Lurk41
I cannot deny that 😀

Still, in my previous post I was only talking about the info we have during / very soon after the 321 announcement, and a little bit before that is was a mistake to announce it without the intention of using it for the 50th (and not telling it right away). The fact the the steel LE won't have the 321 (neither the one I called 3321) and that it will be a 3861, it was known way later (waaaay later AFAIAC), and I digested it since my first "dream" post 😉

So, I still think 321 or improved one would have been better, still think the order they gave the info was a mistake given they won't use it, but won't complain anymore to have the 3861 in the steel LE

This might be from your point of view and with the information you have available (or not)...
Apparently Omega sees that differently and this - you can be sure about that - has reasons...

VjaceCZ · May 11, 2019

Lurk41
@VjaceCZ where did you find that official statement? The only one I can find about the 321 is the one about its come back...
These are the list of the official press releases made by Omega this year: https://www.swatchgroup.com/en/news?year=2019&month=1&field_news_type_target_id=All&ref_brand=67
The only thing I can find on educated websites is that the 321 production will not be limited. Nothing about not use it in some LE watches on top of a low numbered but unlimited version of a 321 watch

https://www.fratellowatches.com/omega-caliber-321-back-production/

MCG555 · May 11, 2019

Archer
It's not the same crystal, so the crystal for the 311.33.42.30.01.002 is as follows (same order):

34.2
4.65
concave
145
143.2
1.8

Interesting! Thanks!
Now would you have also this data from the Hesalith available? I just wonder if they try to replicate the look and feel even closer to the Original...

MCG555 · May 11, 2019

VjaceCZ
https://www.fratellowatches.com/omega-caliber-321-back-production/

Behind the scene we also got information (non official) that an updated 1861 movement with new technolgy will be rolled out...

Evitzee · May 11, 2019

Bushido
At this point, you have made repeated condescending and antagonistic posts in this thread. Other than simple trolling, what exactly is your motivation?

This is an enthusiast forum. Ergo, you will find people express enthusiasm. If the discussion is so irksome, stop clicking into the thread. Let people be excited about what they choose. You're not, we get it, move on.

Oh come on. Nobody is trolling. But some of the diversions we see in this massive thread verge on the odd. Enthusiasm is what it is all about, but when it diverges into silliness it gets, well, silly. All of a sudden in the last day or two real moondust has made its appearance as part of the 50th package, someone else decided that the bezel would be white gold, and we keep getting signals from some that the 321 must be the movement and somehow, magically, Omega will pull a swtcheroo and make it the movement of choice even though it has been confirmed by Omega that that isn't going to happen. Speculation is fun but when it has been confirmed by the manufacturer of various parameters of the watch thinking otherwise is just delusional and non productive. I wouldn't expect many people to read all 46 pages of this tome but new folks drop in and start talking about 'facts' that have already been discussed, and either confirmed or denied. In the last day one poster was talking about what the size of the edition will be even though 6969 pcs has been confirmed multiple times. It makes no sense trying to tell us that the edition will be a different quantity. At this point there are many parameters of this release that are known and they have been discussed many times.

I'm in this gig further than most....I'm financially committed to this watch after having paid 100% of the price of admission (plus tax) over six weeks ago. I want to see this watch as much as anyone else. But I don't get the continued whining on why this watch is wrong when we haven't seen it yet. After it is released there will be plenty of time to pick it apart as to what Omega did right and what they did wrong, and what they should have done. Someone will start another thread at that time as this thread is labeled EXPECTATIONS. Soon it will no longer be about expectations.

Matty1 · May 11, 2019

MCG555
Behind the scene we also got information (non official) that an updated 1861 movement with new technolgy will be rolled out...

Do you think a standard updated movement will be shown next week too or is that going to be later?

STANDY · May 11, 2019

M Matty1
Do you think a standard updated movement will be shown next week too or is that going to be later?

This is not been myth busted yet 😉 just rumours

Matty1 · May 11, 2019

Might be a little odd to put the new movement in the standard just yet. I’m sure people are buying the recent LEs and the 50th in part for the updated movement too?....

GoBlueJedi · May 11, 2019

M Matty1
Might be a little odd to put the new movement in the standard just yet. I’m sure people are buying the recent LEs and the 50th in part for the updated movement too?....

Maybe I'm just naive, but it seems logical to me for Omega to do a major update on the standard version for the anniversary. On top of that, Swatch Group announced that the entire group would be moving to anti-magnetic balance springs in all mechanical watches in the future. No timeline provided, obviously, but the 50th anniversary and the development of the new 3861 movement seems like as good an excuse as any.

Omega Speedmaster Apollo 11 50th Anniversary in Steel - Expectations

nismo

SpeedyPhill

MCG555

MCG555

Ian_km

Lurk41

abrod520

Evitzee

Archer

Lurk41

Bushido

MCG555

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MCG555

MCG555

Evitzee

Matty1

STANDY

Matty1

GoBlueJedi

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