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hansaboy
·And ?
And no dealers or middlemen that had an opportunity to do some fishy stuff…
Omega Speedmaster 145.012-67 a possible Ultraman? on an auction!
And no dealers or middlemen that had an opportunity to do some fishy stuff…
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watchyouwant
·So, you believe without proof of a one owner watch , what Auction Houses tell you ? They are in the business of selling something/anything to get the commission ...
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jimmyd13
·Hi all,
Long time since I've posted anything here and a long, long time since I've done much with speedies. No-one seems to have addressed the "SP" designation on the caseback? I know this has always been confusing but didn't the community settle on this denoting "special pushers" which were better sealed and more water resistant. Were these cases used for the Ultraman?
Also, 33.7% commission? FFS!! Don't the auction houses understand that we bid based on the total cost and raising commissions does not increase their profit margins but, rather, lowers the hammer prices. This gives the seller a lower price and should encourage both sellers and buyers to find other agents.
Long time since I've posted anything here and a long, long time since I've done much with speedies. No-one seems to have addressed the "SP" designation on the caseback? I know this has always been confusing but didn't the community settle on this denoting "special pushers" which were better sealed and more water resistant. Were these cases used for the Ultraman?
Also, 33.7% commission? FFS!! Don't the auction houses understand that we bid based on the total cost and raising commissions does not increase their profit margins but, rather, lowers the hammer prices. This gives the seller a lower price and should encourage both sellers and buyers to find other agents.
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hansaboy
·So, you believe without proof of a one owner watch , what Auction Houses tell you ? They are in the business of selling something/anything to get the commission ...
But I tend to trust people who pass on information, they might be honest (even if there is money involved)??
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hansaboy
·Hi all,
Long time since I've posted anything here and a long, long time since I've done much with speedies. No-one seems to have addressed the "SP" designation on the caseback? I know this has always been confusing but didn't the community settle on this denoting "special pushers" which were better sealed and more water resistant. Were these cases used for the Ultraman?
Also, 33.7% commission? FFS!! Don't the auction houses understand that we bid based on the total cost and raising commissions does not increase their profit margins but, rather, lowers the hammer prices. This gives the seller a lower price and should encourage both sellers and buyers to find other agents.
Hi there!
Nice of you to help out here!
I have a 145.012-67 (not an Ultraman), and it also has SP...
So I don't think that the SP are only for the Ultraman?
And Yepp...insane commissions...And they take from both the seller and the buyer!
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hansaboy
·The question I was trying to raise was whether SP cases were ever used for Ultraman watches. I know they are contemporaneous but I do not know if they were used on that order.
The one that I handled had SP.
Maybe another Ultraman owner or Ultraman Pro could help out here?
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Dan S
·I always find a watch a bit more interesting if it is a one owner watch.
And no dealers or middlemen that had an opportunity to do some fishy stuff…
Also, there is plenty of opportunity for a one-owner watch to be tampered with, even if it is truly with the original owner. Half the time, the owner doesn't even remember what was done. I've lost count of the number of times the original owner has sworn up-and-down that the watch was never serviced and every part was original, but the watch is full of service parts and the screw-heads are all scratched up. Actually, that scenario plays out frequently on the forum.
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hansaboy
·This is very naive. Obviously, sellers lie all the time about being the original owner, and in this case, the claim is coming second-hand from the auction house, which is even worse.
Also, there is plenty of opportunity for a one-owner watch to be tampered with, even if it is truly with the original owner. Half the time, the owner doesn't even remember what was done. I've lost count of the number of times the original owner has sworn up-and-down that the watch was never serviced and every part was original, but the watch is full of service parts and the screw-heads are all scratched up. Actually, that scenario plays out frequently on the forum.
I dont think that the issue here is being naive?
We do our research, study, and maybe ask a question or two (or more…) on the Forum, or somewhere else?
IF the watch would be a one owner watch, I do think that it is a very positive aspect to have in the assessment.
It is easier to follow up on the history, and maybe ask some questions….
And tampering with a watch is not the same thing as having done a service?
Anyway - It is always a pleasure when you read and answer my posts - so keep up the good work!!!
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Dan S
·I dont think that the issue here is being naive?
We do our research, study, and maybe ask a question or two (or more…) on the Forum, or somewhere else?
IF the watch would be a one owner watch, I do think that it is a very positive aspect to have in the assessment.
It is easier to follow up on the history, and maybe ask some questions….
And tampering with a watch is not the same thing as having done a service?
Anyway - It is always a pleasure when you read and answer my posts - so keep up the good work!!!
😉
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hansaboy
·I don't know why you are pimping this auction, but I think it's important for other potential bidders to understand that the information you are supposedly providing may be complete BS.
Pimping:
the action or practice of controlling prostitutes and arranging clients for them, taking part of their earnings in return.
Supposedly:
according to what is generally assumed or believed (often used to indicate that the speaker doubts the truth of the statement).
BS:
talk nonsense to (someone) in an attempt to deceive them.
Seriously Dan!?? (I do hope that it is ok to call you by your name - since we have been penpals for some time now…)
My intention with this post (and others that I have done) was to learn more about watches,
and also to share with other watch enthusiasts.
The watch in this post could be very rare, and not so often described or written about.
And to be Crystal Clear here:
I do not have any strings attached with the auction house or the seller of the watch!
I have the full trust and respect for your knowledge regarding watches,
but I do think that your social skills might need som tuning!
Why not take it down a notch or two, and enjoy the ride?
Cheers!
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jjen
·I’m not going to lie. I wouldn’t mind having a fake one as long as I and everyone else knew it was a “mod”
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BlackTalon
··This Space for RentI do not believe when a 55+ year-old watch is claimed to be 'one owner' unless there is proof. Not that it matters much. But hearing that claim tends to make me more cautious rather than less.
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerActually, that scenario plays out frequently on the forum.
And very often on my bench. Many times the watch is brought to me as never had been serviced, and there are several service marks inside the case back, generic crystals installed, hacked up bridges and screws.
Family history isn't very reliable most of the time.
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hansaboy
·An update:
No bids on this one, so unsold!
Have a lovely weekend Forumfriends!
No bids on this one, so unsold!
Have a lovely weekend Forumfriends!
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Petebarrac
·Hi there!
Nice of you to help out here!
I have a 145.012-67 (not an Ultraman), and it also has SP...
So I don't think that the SP are only for the Ultraman?
And Yepp...insane commissions...And they take from both the seller and the buyer!
I eventually opened my 145.012-67SP today with a watch maker and its serial number is some 467484 out of range but everything points to an Ultraman with a Orange hand at correct length and unserviced for the last 50 years as my father rarely wore it.
