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Omega Seamaster 1963 - Ranchero-style dial markings. Original Dial?

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I'm considering buying this 165.003 case Seamaster. It looks lovely - the dial looks a bit like a Ranchero.

But, I've seen there seem to be lots of high-quality redials out.

May I ask - what do people think of this? It is offered to me by a super and highly respectable dealer from whom I've bought other watches. He's a great guy and I've got his permission to ask on the forums about the dial, but I'll keep it anonymous. We're both interested in opinions.

The serial no. is for 1963. The back is original for 165.003. The crown is signed. All looks very clean.

Did Omega make non-Ranchero model, Seamasters using a similar design to the dial that they used on Rancheros, but using Seamaster hands?
 
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Obvious redial I'm afraid. Just look at the quality of the print.
 
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Zapatta Zapatta
Can we see your other watches?

Yes. Would love to share. Here's one - a 1939 Bullseye.

Happy to share more. I love these old watches. But, I'm keen to learn more and in particular to be able to discern original dials from good quality re-dials.
 
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Obvious redial I'm afraid. Just look at the quality of the print.

Wow! Really? Is it the non-uniform density of white ink of the numbers and the lack of sharpness of edges? Why is it so clearly a redial?
 
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Take a look at the fonts. "C" in "automatic" is clearly thicker than the rest, weird "o". The hat on "T" does not seem to be even, and both Ts seems to have different "hats". Density of the print itself does seem of low quality. And whats up with the "swiss made" in the bottom? Also, a tritium dial with crystal white index is quite suspicious to say the least.
 
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Yes, hands are wrong as well. Look at that lume insert in the hour hand, and how the hands "narrows down". A lot of wrongs with this one. Does it even have a Omega caliber inside? 😉
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Welcome.
A short google search on the ref. will give you something to compare it with 👍
Just a trick I learned.
 
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Wow. Thank you! Such a wealth of knowledge on the forum. So, points of learning here:

1. Font giveaways: (a) C with thicker print noted (b) T-cross bars; right one seems a bit blurred (c) O of AutOmatic, maybe I'm not discerning enough to notice this.

2. Swiss Made - appears to be too far to edge of dial and not visible

3. Tritium dial with crystal white index. I am a bit hopeless here, not sure what the significance is. The tritium markers (triangles) do are not right with white minute graduation markers?

4. Seamaster font. Indistinct?

5. The hands - are they from a different era? The caliber is a 562 (photo attached).

6. I did a search on Google for Cal 562 and dials. I couldn't find a similar one, but didn't have the confidence to conclude that there they don't exist on the catalogue.

All so interesting!
 
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Aha! I think I see it - the lack of flow between Sea and master. There's a mini-blob of ink between the 'a' and 'm'.

It's great to learn this stuff!
 
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As others have said, it’s a fantasy redial - as far as I know, Omega never produced that reference with that dial. You’ll see a lot of other references with a similar dial. These used to come out of India about 20 years ago. You’d also find that the lume is luminova, not tritium, on most of them.

My first Omega was one of these - but I went in knowing full well it was not correct. But for the price I paid, it was a nice watch. They are generally all overpriced now, though.
 
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Donn Chambers Donn Chambers
As others have said, it’s a fantasy redial - as far as I know, Omega never produced that reference with that dial. You’ll see a lot of other references with a similar dial. These used to come out of India about 20 years ago. You’d also find that the lume is luminova, not tritium, on most of them.

My first Omega was one of these - but I went in knowing full well it was not correct. But for the price I paid, it was a nice watch. They are generally all overpriced now, though.


Interesting! I wonder what a fair price is these days for them? Do you still have your first Omega?
 
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OP, perhaps you are thinking of a “Seachero,” which is essentially a Ranchero case with a Seamaster dial and hands. The Seachero is a legitimate Omega and came in a number of variations, but unfortunately your watch is not among them. In addition to the reasons mentioned by other members, this is not a Ranchero case which would typically be either a reference 2990 or 2996. Respectfully, you may wish to take your dealer’s representations with some degree of skepticism. At best, he may simply be uninformed.
 
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OP, perhaps you are thinking of a “Seachero,” which is essentially a Ranchero case with a Seamaster dial and hands. The Seachero is a legitimate Omega and came in a number of variations, but unfortunately your watch is not among them. In addition to the reasons mentioned by other members, this is not a Ranchero case which would typically be either a reference 2990 or 2996. Respectfully, you may wish to take your dealer’s representations with some degree of skepticism. At best, he may simply be uninformed.

Thank you! I've seen some threads on Seachero's on the forum. They look great IMO!

I was wondering whether there are any Omega dials with the characteristic splay/burst of minute hands and large triangular tritium markers that were not ref. 2990 or 2996? There are Railmasters but are these new watches? Also, I've seen Google links to an Omega 600 with a black face and the typical Ranchero/Seachero markers.
 
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Thank you! I've seen some threads on Seachero's on the forum. They look great IMO!

I was wondering whether there are any Omega dials with the characteristic splay/burst of minute hands and large triangular tritium markers that were not ref. 2990 or 2996? There are Railmasters but are these new watches? Also, I've seen Google links to an Omega 600 with a black face and the typical Ranchero/Seachero markers.
I’m not certain about that. Perhaps other members can weigh in on that question. Be advised, however, that the lume used on the Ranchero references is radium, not tritium.
 
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I’m not certain about that. Perhaps other members can weigh in on that question. Be advised, however, that the lume used on the Ranchero references is radium, not tritium.

Thank you. BTW, I just saw your other post and your Ranchero photos. May I say: it is just stupendous!!!
 
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