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·The gasket was complicated to remove, but fortunately enough had not melted on the dial
Omega Seamaster 166.093 1000m Professional
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Ferik
·Anyone in this thread lives in New England by any chance?
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·I am looking for some feedback on this one.
I have a 14 days no questions asked return policy so I am hoping to verify/confirm a few items to determine if this is a keeper. At this point I can’t see why I would not keep it, and really I just want to be able to confirm if the watch is original and if the movement is true to the case and a 1002 or 1012. Case finish in radial but looks so clean with very crisp corners that my immediate thought is that it is a service case.
The dial and the bezel are type 1, and could be original to the watch when it left the factory. While the patina and wear looks consistent with its age, is there a way to confirm that they are in fact original with this watch?
The hands look to be in great shape. The second hand has no illumination, the hour hand is very light and hard to see, and the minute hand lights up comparable to the bezel.
It did come with a period correct box and an international guarantee booklet stamped 2011.
Unfortunate, but there is no history on this watch at all from the seller. He states he acquired it second hand, and owned it for 7 months.
Who in the USA would be best suited to service this watch?
I have a 14 days no questions asked return policy so I am hoping to verify/confirm a few items to determine if this is a keeper. At this point I can’t see why I would not keep it, and really I just want to be able to confirm if the watch is original and if the movement is true to the case and a 1002 or 1012. Case finish in radial but looks so clean with very crisp corners that my immediate thought is that it is a service case.
The dial and the bezel are type 1, and could be original to the watch when it left the factory. While the patina and wear looks consistent with its age, is there a way to confirm that they are in fact original with this watch?
The hands look to be in great shape. The second hand has no illumination, the hour hand is very light and hard to see, and the minute hand lights up comparable to the bezel.
It did come with a period correct box and an international guarantee booklet stamped 2011.
Unfortunate, but there is no history on this watch at all from the seller. He states he acquired it second hand, and owned it for 7 months.
Who in the USA would be best suited to service this watch?
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Ferik
·Did you buy this watch on ebay from Empire Loans in Lynn, MA?
If so, I had an opportunity to see the watch at their store. Unfortunately it wasn't the great watch that I expected (and would have payed $6600 for). While the papers as you saw aren't from that watch, the box is period correct though not the official one for that watch, the instructions were correct (though generic for the movement). I remember seeing some light corrosion, polish and scratches (unfortunate with the finish). More importantly the bezel (older but service), hands, dial & bracelet (not period appropriate and not mesh) are mismatched upon close inspection (loupe & flashlight).
You can get it serviced at the Omega store in Natick, MA. Not sure John will look forward to opening a Ploprof style watch but he's great tech.
If so, I had an opportunity to see the watch at their store. Unfortunately it wasn't the great watch that I expected (and would have payed $6600 for). While the papers as you saw aren't from that watch, the box is period correct though not the official one for that watch, the instructions were correct (though generic for the movement). I remember seeing some light corrosion, polish and scratches (unfortunate with the finish). More importantly the bezel (older but service), hands, dial & bracelet (not period appropriate and not mesh) are mismatched upon close inspection (loupe & flashlight).
You can get it serviced at the Omega store in Natick, MA. Not sure John will look forward to opening a Ploprof style watch but he's great tech.
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·Yes I did, but after my inspection I have decided to return this watch. Your comments are spot on and unfortunately much easier to see in person than in a picture on the internet. If it was all original and in excellent condition then I would have been very happy, but this is not the case.
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·Any comments on the case? I am looking at pictures at many other cases and there appears to be a few items off. Most noticeable is the lug length (seems short) and how the body curves into the lug (transition is short). Anyway, seller came back with drastically lower price because of the issues I pointed out if I did not want to return. It goes in the mail tomorrow.
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sulaco
·I like the case of this watch,seems to have sharp edges, dial and hands look good to me too.
The bezel might be one of those bezels that cant be aligned, i have got a Ploprof with a bezel that has the same font.
If you align the triangle at 12 o clock, the rest is misaligned something went wrong when they molded that acrylic inlay
The bezel might be one of those bezels that cant be aligned, i have got a Ploprof with a bezel that has the same font.
If you align the triangle at 12 o clock, the rest is misaligned something went wrong when they molded that acrylic inlay
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scholli
·Hello, I bought a SM1000 from a dealer with a return option, is it possible to see from these pics if something was
restored? The dealer told me the watch is 100% original and nearly unworn. Are there any numbers in the case
I have to pay attention to? We are used to open and service watches, so I could disassemble the watch completely:
restored? The dealer told me the watch is 100% original and nearly unworn. Are there any numbers in the case
I have to pay attention to? We are used to open and service watches, so I could disassemble the watch completely:
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Ferik
·Looks like a sunburst finish and impeccable dial, bezel and hands which would point to a from service parts / NOS, as far as I understand. Nothing wrong with that but it doesn't seem to be something that was sold in the early seventies.
I think you don't want to open a Grand unless you really know what you're doing. My Omega boutique service guy won't.
I think you don't want to open a Grand unless you really know what you're doing. My Omega boutique service guy won't.
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scholli
·Looks like a sunburst finish and impeccable dial, bezel and hands which would point to a from service parts / NOS, as far as I understand. Nothing wrong with that but it doesn't seem to be something that was sold in the early seventies.
I think you don't want to open a Grand unless you really know what you're doing. My Omega boutique service guy won't.
Are you considering replacement parts because they are in such a good shape or because they look different compared to old ones?
If that watch laid in a drawer for 40 years, would it be possible to look like this? What about that sunburst finish,
wasn't that the usual brush at that time?
Thanks for your reply btw! 👍
About open a Grand, is it that difficult? My watchdoc usually services any kind of watches, vintage panerais, complicated watches, coffee machines and camera lenses. He repairs watches for nearly 30 years now, if something is broken, he fixes it. Probably the handing of a monocoque isn't hat easy...
Sorry for all the questions, this is the first time I came in touch with that watch, I am usually active within the Rolex scene.
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Ferik
·I believe that sunburst finish dials point to a replacement part (rays burst from the center of the watch rather circumnavigate it). I don't know that the dial would look this good even left in a drawer.
As I understand, 99% of the original Grand bezel was changed because it was plastic and degraded very quickly.
Have you tested the luminosity of the watch when exposed briefly to a flashlight? Looking at my 64-72 watches, they retain very little luminosity no matter what.
I think you can tell if the bracelet is original or a service part as well but I don't know how.
The Grand, like the Ploprof are difficult to open and service. I can't speak from experience but the service guy at my local boutique is loathe to open them up. It's definitely possible but it's not run of the mill. Looking at the serial # on the inside of the case (if it exists) and matching it with the movement (fairly common as I understand it), would be interesting.
P.S. I am far from an expert, just repeating things I read here and there. I have both a NOS and an all original (but bezel) Grand.
As I understand, 99% of the original Grand bezel was changed because it was plastic and degraded very quickly.
Have you tested the luminosity of the watch when exposed briefly to a flashlight? Looking at my 64-72 watches, they retain very little luminosity no matter what.
I think you can tell if the bracelet is original or a service part as well but I don't know how.
The Grand, like the Ploprof are difficult to open and service. I can't speak from experience but the service guy at my local boutique is loathe to open them up. It's definitely possible but it's not run of the mill. Looking at the serial # on the inside of the case (if it exists) and matching it with the movement (fairly common as I understand it), would be interesting.
P.S. I am far from an expert, just repeating things I read here and there. I have both a NOS and an all original (but bezel) Grand.
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scholli
·Just phoned with my doc, he said he already opened the 600 monocoque case....there should be a serial number in it?
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Ferik
·I do not know for sure. There will be a serial number on the mouvement. Contribute your learnings to the group.
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·S scholliSure, I will do... 😉
The case will have a laser engraved Ref nbr on the buttom, your watch doc has to remove the movement so he can see it.
When he does let him write down the serial number on the movement and buy an extract of record from Omega, most certainly it will tell you that it doesn't belong to a 1000m. Furtheron i bet that dial, hands and bezel glow nicely in the dark!
Dont get me wrong, these are all original Omega parts, but Service parts.
I yet have to see an sunburst case that is vintage.
Sorry to be bearer of bad news.
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scholli
·My watchdoc says the sunburst on the picture is correct. I haven't received the watch yet, bought it yesterday online.
I found another example in Japan on rakuten that looks pretty identical to my one:
http://global.rakuten.com/en/store/sweetroad/item/w-9455/
Anyway, Omega is a very refreshing topic for me and I learned that there are many more interesting vintage brands than Rolex.
Half year ago, my focus laid on Rolex only....👍
I found another example in Japan on rakuten that looks pretty identical to my one:
http://global.rakuten.com/en/store/sweetroad/item/w-9455/
Anyway, Omega is a very refreshing topic for me and I learned that there are many more interesting vintage brands than Rolex.
Half year ago, my focus laid on Rolex only....👍
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scholli
·I would say its put together, like the watchco SM 300.
The case will have a laser engraved Ref nbr on the buttom, your watch doc has to remove the movement so he can see it.
When he does let him write down the serial number on the movement and buy an extract of record from Omega, most certainly it will tell you that it doesn't belong to a 1000m. Furtheron i bet that dial, hands and bezel glow nicely in the dark!
Dont get me wrong, these are all original Omega parts, but Service parts.
I yet have to see an sunburst case that is vintage.
Sorry to be bearer of bad news.
Thank you for your post! No, thats no bad message at all, I am a total newbie at Omega - and I have a guaranteed return option, we
have a law about shopping on the internet in Germany, I can give it back, no big deal...just in cas.
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·S scholliThank you for your post! No, thats no bad message at all, I am a total newbie at Omega - and I have a guaranteed return option, we
have a law about shopping on the internet in Germany, I can give it back, no big deal...just in cas.
seen a sunburst finished case with dings abd dongs from 30years of use and with a punshed stamp of the Ref Nbr.
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scholli
·I ve found an old magazine from the early 90ies, an omega special, there the finish on the case is applied in circles not rays, just like ferik said. But the font on the bezel looks also bolder. Could it be that there were different models on the market - e.g. 1971 compared to the mid 70ies?
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sulaco
·Correct, vintage ones a circular finish and
service ones have a sunburst finish, thats my opinion.
The older Tritium filled bezel inserts or bezels have a thicker font. the Service bezels a thinner one and they glow nicely for a longer period of time.
service ones have a sunburst finish, thats my opinion.
The older Tritium filled bezel inserts or bezels have a thicker font. the Service bezels a thinner one and they glow nicely for a longer period of time.
