Omega Petrograd from 1914/1915

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Alius

·Sep 21, 2021

Hello to each other,

I bought this Omega Petrograd yesterday and am wondering if anyone has more information about the watch, and if so, maybe. knows what kind of work is ticking in it and which hands are the original ones. Does anyone have a similar copy and is the story true of the Russian tsar?

Thanks in advance.
Christian

Best regards

 

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Alius

·Sep 21, 2021

Forgot one

 

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cristos71

·Sep 21, 2021

Hmm, could well be a Ukrainian Special, which has a genuine Omega movement but the rest is just a fantasy of after market parts. These are often to be found on Ebay coming out of Eastern Europe.

Hopefully you didn't pay too much for it as it has zero collector's value

 

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ConElPueblo

·Sep 21, 2021

cristos71

Hmm, could well be a Ukrainian Special, which has a genuine Omega movement but the rest is just a fantasy of after market parts. These are often to be found on Ebay coming out of Eastern Europe.

Hopefully you didn't pay too much for it as it has zero collector's value

I think you need to brush up on your early vintage Omega history 😉

@Alius, not much is known about these as they are not really in the mainstream collector's focus. Perhaps someone like @OMTOM has any info?

 

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Alius

·Sep 21, 2021

Hi there,

many thanks for the answer. Which features bother you? In my opinion, the dial is clearly original and the case is also made of 14k gold. The Omega lettering is in italics as it should be. Only the hands do not fit. At least the minute hand

 

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JimInOz

·Sep 21, 2021·Melbourne Australia

I think it's OK but would like some more detail like high qualitycaseback photos, any hallmarks, diameter of the movement etc.

Omega released a Museum Collection Petrograd a few years ago and this could be one of the originals that prompted the limited editions.

There are a number of similar styles from the period 1915 to 1920 and all share the same design cues as the OP watch.

 

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Alius

·Sep 21, 2021

Thanks. I will post new and better pictures as soon as the watch is here.

 

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mac_omega

·Sep 21, 2021

JimInOz

I think it's OK but would like some more detail like high qualitycaseback photos, any hallmarks, diameter of the movement etc.

Omega released a Museum Collection Petrograd a few years ago and this could be one of the originals that prompted the limited editions.

There are a number of similar styles from the period 1915 to 1920 and all share the same design cues as the OP watch.

exactly that...

all depends on the hallmarks and inscription in the caseback

many of them have been delivered as movement+dial only and the cases have been added in Russia.

It is hard to get them verified with an EoA because these old watches must be searched for by case serial numbers.

And serial# will be only found on Swiss made cases, not on Russian contract ones.

Nevertheless they are beautiful watches and due to their size have wrist presence - why overpay for modern "copies/remakes" from Franck Muller or similar when you can get the vintage version?

Edited: Sep 21, 2021

 

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Alius

·Sep 21, 2021

Thank you very much. Yet I don't have the watch. I think that there are no hallmarks. So the case is made in Russia. Does that mean that it won't be able to get an extract from the archive only with the movement number?

Best regards,
Christian

 

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watchyouwant

·Sep 21, 2021

I had 2 over the years. Lately there are fakes from Russia. The original dials are made from silver and stamped in the back of the dial. I'd replace the minute hand only. Kind regards. Achim

 

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OMTOM

·Sep 21, 2021

All I can add to the comments above is that the movement is a 13'''S, dating about 1916. Tom

 

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cristos71

·Sep 21, 2021

ConElPueblo

I think you need to brush up on your early vintage Omega history 😉

Hee, hee, well I'm no expert but am of course aware of the genuine Petrograd. I was more thinking that this was a Petrowannabee based on the dial, which I don't think looks original ( of course correct me if I'm wrong, but look at the 30 of the sub dial for instance ) and the case which I thought also looks new.

I'll crawl back under my stone now... 😁

 

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mac_omega

·Sep 21, 2021

A Alius

Thank you very much. Yet I don't have the watch. I think that there are no hallmarks. So the case is made in Russia. Does that mean that it won't be able to get an extract from the archive only with the movement number?

Best regards,
Christian

no case serial# - no extract

it is that simple.

the older watches are not registered on microfiche but in huge leather-bound books and listed by case serial## other than younger watches which are registered using movement serial## and these watches can be found in their (now) computer data files.

 

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gatorcpa

·Sep 21, 2021·ΩF InvestiGator

Here is a listing for a similar watch with some historical information:

https://m.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.880804848681737.1073741871.562360140526211&type=3

“Petrograd” is the name given by Omega to the modern reissue. No one called these tonneau cases by that name in 1910.

I would suggest that you have the case tested for gold content by a reputable jeweler. They are supposed to be Russian hallmarked for 14K gold.

I also believe that the dial was repainted, but that it was done a very long time ago. That is expected with 110+ year old watches, regardless if the case is real or not.

My opinion is that there is a chance this is real, but you are going to need to do more research.

BTW, there is a similar watch available on eBay with a slightly different Omega movement.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Omega-Tonneau-14k-Solid-Gold-Watch-apx-1925-Exploding-Numbers-Wire-Lugs-/124031899342

I think this one is a frankenwatch also. Movement is from the 1920’s, case “serial number” looks hand engraved and I can’t place the hallmarks. I have no clue about the dial.

There really is no good way to authenticate these. This keeps prices relatively low.

Hope this helps,
gatorcpa

 

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Alius

·Sep 21, 2021

To be honest I don't think that this is a fake. The seller didn't even know that it is a Petrograd. He only mentioned it as an 14k gold Omega from 1919.

 

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Zapatta

·Sep 21, 2021

Here are few examples

https://www.ebay.it/itm/22443107033...-53478-19255-0&campid=5338722076&toolid=10001

https://www.invaluable.com/auction-...ig-and-very-rare-pink-gold--4146-c-66b420cbd0

 

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cristos71

·Sep 21, 2021

The only thing I have to add is that the logos on all the dials shown look like they were drawn by a five year old. Are these really coming out of the Omega factory like this? If so I find it a very strange anomaly indeed.

I don't have an Omega wrist watches from this period but do have a number of logo'd desk clocks of one sort or another from the 1920's and they have consistent logos and typeset

 

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watchyouwant

·Sep 21, 2021

I would not touch the last 2 with a very long pole.....

 

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Zapatta

·Sep 21, 2021

My post was just for reference. Both obvious redials. Regarding OP watch, I vote for redial. Like Cristos71 said, subdial looks too sloppy for Omega.

 

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Alius

·Sep 21, 2021

Thanks a lot for all the answers. I will take a closer look at the watch as soon as it is with me. I think that the dial may well have been freshened up. But for a watch that's over 100 years old, I don't think it's that bad. In addition, it seems to me that the focus here is rather on the enormous size and the special shape. At the time, that was the key point. Especially since we are talking about a watch that in all likelihood dates from the time of the First World War. Who could afford something like this in solid gold in poor Russia at that time?