Omega Grand Ploprof

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I didn't say it was fake, but if you purchased it from the seller that is on eBay "abouttime.ch" that is the company formerly known as "Watchco" and they are, shall we say, creative and liberal with the use of the term "NOS."

The parts they use are not old and have not been "stored for decades" but are mostly new service parts that can still be bought brand new from Omega. So they take a random movement, service it (sometimes) and then put a new service dial and hands on, then put it in a new service case, and sell it as "NOS" when the only "Old" thing is actually the movement. The movement could have come from any model that used the movement, not necessarily from the model they put the movement in. Value is in parts only on these.

They have been using this shady marketing for a long time...

Cheers, Al

unfortunately Archer is absolutely correct
So you are saying that uwsearch is wrong when he says the 1002 is correct?
yes the 1002 is wrong
 
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Not only is the movement from another none plopfof Watch but the case is not a true Seamaster 1000
I will add photos to show you the difference..it part of a new web site on the model that I am just finishing you can see the inscription is different and the case construction is different and the lugs are different and the case back is different and the bezel is different


When the site is finished it’s worth just browsing and you can see what is different with the copy
 
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The Isofrane aren't cheap, but they are insanely comfortable, and look amazing on the watch.

These guys belong to @LiquidSolid

The watch is incredibly comfortable I wear mine daily but it never came on anything other than a mess
 
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Not only is the movement from another none plopfof Watch but the case is not a true Seamaster 1000
I will add photos to show you the difference..it part of a new web site on the model that I am just finishing you can see the inscription is different and the case construction is different and the lugs are different and the case back is different and the bezel is different


When the site is finished it’s worth just browsing and you can see what is different with the copy
So they’re fake cases or redesign late cases?
 
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So they’re fake cases or redesign late cases?
Or Version 2.0 like the later blue dial?
 
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It’s complicated as even Omega themselves have very limited info on this very rare watch

It looks like the watch cases were often badly dented in undersea work as this was a real professional watch and bought for real commercial reasons not like the proplof which was more a poseurs Watch[sorry but although that’s a bit controversial it’s the truth]

So it’s beleived that the rate of attrition of these watch cases was much higher than expected so service cases were separately made to provide refurbishments ....these cases are much different
 
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When agnelli was seen with this watch over his shirt it is claimed that 100,000 Italians stared to wear their watches this way and thousands went out and bought a proplof to copy him
 
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That's funny, I bought 2 over the years from 2 old Swiss divers who were first owner.
Both got wet in the past and got serviced..
One is still fully original and the other one all new.. is that a fake watchco then?

 
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When agnelli was seen with this watch over his shirt it is claimed that 100,000 Italians stared to wear their watches this way and thousands went out and bought a proplof to copy him
Thank you so much for the info. I appreciate the research and taking your time in posting something I’m sure you have mentioned before.
 
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Well you have got 2 great Watches the one on the right is absolutely right it’s has the oval zeros on the dial

and a correct hands set as well as an original tritium bezel I suspect

The other looks to be a totally serviced model but you need to get the serial numbers and movement photos and I can tell you more accurately
Clearly there is a case difference when viewed edge on an you can quite clearly see the service bezel which has high chrome shiny edges
Whereas the pro model is matte so as not to make it slippery in water

The cases have the appearance of differing finishes ..can’t really tell but it looks like the real original is ,and should be, radial ,whereas the service case is sunburst

The original looks like a 1012 caliber ...... I can tell by the crown seating

Would be nice to see inside

Kind regards thanks for posting
 
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unfortunately Archer is absolutely correct

yes the 1002 is wrong
Were you not looking a couple of months ago for one with either a 1002 or 1012 movement? Was it correct then?
 
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Would be nice to see inside

I got them opened and both movement are 1012 (I don't know what Mr Dennis is talking about.. would be nice to see his watches too).
As you probably know, Omega service in Switzerland was made by Gameo in Lausanne. My father in law worked for them for 30 years till they moved to Bienne in the nineties. As he told me, they had a stock of serviced movement that were ready to be fitted in the watch that arrived for service. That way watches didn't stay too long and they prepared the movement when they had not too much job. Nobody told them that one day somebody would be interested in an extract of the archives..
So about half of my Seamasters that I found in Switzerland got their movement swapped during service including these 2 166.093 (with a 073, a 077, a 091, and a 176.004).
 
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I got them opened and both movement are 1012 (I don't know what Mr Dennis is talking about.. would be nice to see his watches too).
As you probably know, Omega service in Switzerland was made by Gameo in Lausanne. My father in law worked for them for 30 years till they moved to Bienne in the nineties. As he told me, they had a stock of serviced movement that were ready to be fitted in the watch that arrived for service. That way watches didn't stay too long and they prepared the movement when they had not too much job. Nobody told them that one day somebody would be interested in an extract of the archives..
So about half of my Seamasters that I found in Switzerland got their movement swapped during service including these 2 166.093 (with a 073, a 077, a 091, and a 176.004).
Have you forgotten about your post on WUS from Jan. 2015, entitled The Seamaster Story 1957 to 2014, where you stated that both the 1002 and the 1012 were correct?
 
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All right, maybe because the 2 main sources say that??? Why would I say something else ?



In french we say "on se croirait dans une cour d'école"
 
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Wow.

This forum... people hold each other’s internet posts to a very high level of scrutiny.
The internet’s is very serious bidness!
 
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Unfortunately AJTT which you quote is not always very accurate and there are many examples of this

I have examples of 3 Watches stamped with prototype numbering’s all in the mid to late 1975 [all 1012] indicating that the watch was still not ready for sale in that year
I know from archives that the last watch delivered was 1982 but that is possibly anomalous as there is no catalogue of the watch in the main markets after 1978

The 1002 was never in production for this model and it was generally agreed that the issues with the rotor mandated that when the 1012 became available in 1973 it would be the choice for this new superior diver when offered for retail sale

Of course in 1982 there was experiments with both the quartz and the f300hz and I have photos of both with [AJT`T showing only the quartz ]
And they tried out a titanium version at the behest of the French Navy but that was ultimately not taken up

The big question is of course how many were actually produced and unfortunately there is no clear answer even Omega don’t have an accurate read on that but service records from the biggest center in the second biggest market would by extrapolation lead to a number significantly lower than 1000 and maybe 500 or less ...

Would love for someone to shed some light on numbers or cataloguing or indeed anything so that the community has a better understanding of this fantastic watch
 
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Well I’ve learned a lot.

I learn I purchased a new stock , version 2.0 case watch with a 1012 movement which seems to be serviced since it’s keeping time with my iPhone.

I learned that the case is still being manufactured which I thought is crazy...

I love that the date hacks up and down. I prefer it over quick hour to be honest.
 
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The 1012 is a very good time keeper and very robust you have a good hand set and a good Dial which is type 3 not the later type 4 which is not as nice