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aksan82
·Is this case correct for Omega Constellation ref. 168.0054, or is it from another Omega reference?
Omega Constellation
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maumerstrubbi
·Is the bracelet clasp omega signed?
Looks different than what I came up doing a quick google search of the stated reference.
The bracelet is different for all the ones I found and also the way it’s integrated with the case looks different on the ones I found doing 5 min of research… but I am no expert…
Looks different than what I came up doing a quick google search of the stated reference.
The bracelet is different for all the ones I found and also the way it’s integrated with the case looks different on the ones I found doing 5 min of research… but I am no expert…
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aksan82
·Thank you for your valuable comment.
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aksan82
·picture of the clock mechanism
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ErichKeane
·Movement is a 1000-series (probably 1020). But as others have said, the bracelet attachment point seems different from other 168.0054. Every other 168.0054 I can find has has an 'innie' with a tang, rather than an 'outie' for the bracelet. I also don't really see ANY other variants of Omega watches that have that 'thin' of a tang, which is curious. Also, it is too narrow at the bracelet width-wise, all the other variants I can f ind of a 168.0054 are way wider there.
I wonder if this is a caseback swap? Though due to the watchmaker marks, it seems to have been on there for quite a while.
Definitely a curious situation.
I wonder if this is a caseback swap? Though due to the watchmaker marks, it seems to have been on there for quite a while.
Definitely a curious situation.
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aksan82
·Thank you. My watchmaker confirmed the movement is cal. 1021 and repaired the quickset. If you think the case is incorrect, do you recognize which Omega reference the mid-case belongs to?
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ErichKeane
·https://omegaforums.net/attachments/3-jpeg.1297737/
I don't recognize the mid-case, I searched quite a bit and can't find any that look like that, or even any that could have been MODIFIED to look like that. The amount that it tapers in had quite a few similar references, but nothing that has that matching lug shapes.
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aksan82
·When I did some research, I saw a Seamaster model similar to this one.
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aksan82
·Definitely not a 1021, note the missing jewels on the visible plate. 1020 is the 17 jewel movement, which that plate claims. IF there is another plate that claims 1021 under the rotor, then there has been some swapping of bridges. This is a 1021:
https://omegaforums.net/attachments/3-jpeg.1297737/
I don't recognize the mid-case, I searched quite a bit and can't find any that look like that, or even any that could have been MODIFIED to look like that. The amount that it tapers in had quite a few similar references, but nothing that has that matching lug shapes.
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ErichKeane
·No, none of those additional photos are the same thing, see the turned down face of the lugs. I just don't have a good idea. Perhaps someone else will.
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maumerstrubbi
·Definitely not the same watch case. And I am sry to have to break it to you but I think your watch seems put together. It doesn’t look right the case.
And you didn’t post a picture of the case clasp - it should be omega signed to at least have a chance of the case being a an omega case: can you provide a picture of the bracelet clasp?
And you didn’t post a picture of the case clasp - it should be omega signed to at least have a chance of the case being a an omega case: can you provide a picture of the bracelet clasp?
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aksan82
·No, none of those additional photos are the same thing, see the turned down face of the lugs. I just don't have a good idea. Perhaps someone else will.
If the mid-case is not correct for this watch, how do the movement, dial, crown stem and crystal all fit so perfectly? There are no spacers, no modifications, and the movement sits naturally in the case.
Would this suggest that the case is still an original Omega case from another reference, or could Omega have used a very similar case for multiple references?
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aksan82
·Definitely not the same watch case. And I am sry to have to break it to you but I think your watch seems put together. It doesn’t look right the case.
And you didn’t post a picture of the case clasp - it should be omega signed to at least have a chance of the case being a an omega case: can you provide a picture of the bracelet clasp?
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·Thank you for your thoughts. I have one technical question.
If the mid-case is not correct for this watch, how do the movement, dial, crown stem and crystal all fit so perfectly? There are no spacers, no modifications, and the movement sits naturally in the case.
Would this suggest that the case is still an original Omega case from another reference, or could Omega have used a very similar case for multiple references?
Depending on your country, it COULD be a locally manufactured case (Due to Tariffs, Omega often shipped without a case and counted on a local company to assemble it in-country, the 17 jewel movement lends to that too, as many countries used 17 jewels as the point where tariff rates changed), which didn't always match what Omega did. So it wouldn't be 'what left the factory' so much as "what left the final point of assembly".
I don't SEE any of the local case maker marks that we often see, but I've also not seen many examples of locally made cases this late into it. I THINK there was some south-american countries where this happened, but I don't have the knowledge to know better than that.
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aksan82
·I don't see anything that LOOKS like a bodged job. Case/Dial/Hands/movement all seem to FIT together at least. The clasp being Omega logoed is interesting, but I don't see enough info to know if it is authentic.
Depending on your country, it COULD be a locally manufactured case (Due to Tariffs, Omega often shipped without a case and counted on a local company to assemble it in-country, the 17 jewel movement lends to that too, as many countries used 17 jewels as the point where tariff rates changed), which didn't always match what Omega did. So it wouldn't be 'what left the factory' so much as "what left the final point of assembly".
I don't SEE any of the local case maker marks that we often see, but I've also not seen many examples of locally made cases this late into it. I THINK there was some south-american countries where this happened, but I don't have the knowledge to know better than that.
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maumerstrubbi
·I don't see anything that LOOKS like a bodged job. Case/Dial/Hands/movement all seem to FIT together at least. The clasp being Omega logoed is interesting, but I don't see enough info to know if it is authentic.
Depending on your country, it COULD be a locally manufactured case (Due to Tariffs, Omega often shipped without a case and counted on a local company to assemble it in-country, the 17 jewel movement lends to that too, as many countries used 17 jewels as the point where tariff rates changed), which didn't always match what Omega did. So it wouldn't be 'what left the factory' so much as "what left the final point of assembly".
I don't SEE any of the local case maker marks that we often see, but I've also not seen many examples of locally made cases this late into it. I THINK there was some south-american countries where this happened, but I don't have the knowledge to know better than that.
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ErichKeane
·Cases often have a local manufacturer stamped on them, but yours doesn't seem to, unless there is more on the inside of teh case back.
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aksan82
·Omega will put import marks SOMEWHERE on the movement (usually the balance bridge I think?) when they export a movement, so that might be a way of figuring it out. The movement picture is too compressed/only half the movement, so no way to be sure there.
Cases often have a local manufacturer stamped on them, but yours doesn't seem to, unless there is more on the inside of teh case back.
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerIt appears to be a constellation, with a 168.045 case, that is missing the serrated bezel.
Still available from Omega, and the part number is 082ST1680054. The cost of the bezel would likely be a large percentage of what the watch is actually worthy though...
Still available from Omega, and the part number is 082ST1680054. The cost of the bezel would likely be a large percentage of what the watch is actually worthy though...
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ErichKeane
·It appears to be a constellation, with a 168.045 case, that is missing the serrated bezel.
Still available from Omega, and the part number is 082ST1680054. The cost of the bezel would likely be a large percentage of what the watch is actually worthy though...
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