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Sturmvogel
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Hello,

I would really like to buy an original vintage Omega Constellation Pie Pan (ideally an oversized one), but I soon realised that being a novice in watch collecting I would almost certainly spend money for a fake or Frankenstein watch. That discouraged me as I also don't have the time to first study articles and comparing photos to be able to tell which one is the real deal and which is not.

Could anybody with good knowledge lead me to such a watch in original (if possible not too much restored) condition without any fake or modern replacement parts? It can be currently listed on eBay or a watch dealer website. I would just like to have confidence when spending the money for an old watch.

Thank you.

Roger
 
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Hi Roger. Let me see if I remember the directions to that shortcut for people who don't want to do their homework and want a cherry vintage Constellation.......

....give me some time to find 'em........
 
dsio
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Yea there are really no oversized ones, they come in a 34.5mm and a hidden crown variant that's slightly larger but even that's hardly any bigger, there's no 38mm vintage piepan for example.

You should start by reading up on what's available at the Constellation Collector Blog here: http://omega-constellation-collectors.blogspot.com.au/
 
Sturmvogel
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Hi ulackfocus, I can understand your comment. I am a collector myself, just in a completely different area where I have over 20 years of experience and know exactly what is fake and what not. I would have made a similar comment like you if somebody asked me to point him to a rare item. However, I thought - and I may be mistaken - that watches from the 60ies are much less rare and there are plenty of them at any given time and that it would not be a big deal for an expert to tell a novice where he can buy a good one. I am not interested in rare watches. It can be a fairly common one.

Hi dsio, I found one online that had - if I remember correctly - 36mm, but that may have been a fake. I'd also be interested in a vintage 38mm one from the 40ies, but I assumed these are rarer and harder to find.
 
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Sounds like you need to first narrow down what you are looking for.. then maybe... just maybe... someone here can help you.. for a small fortune...
 
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Sturmvogel Sturmvogel
OK, basically I prefer a larger one than 35mm. The 2505 as shown here: https://www.blackbough.co.uk/omega-reference-2505-varying-examples-of-this-oversize-model/ would be perfect. Ideally a steel one with silver hands (similar to the top two in the first photo of the linked page).

There are similar ones currently at eBay, but I have no clue if they are original or not unfortunately.
None of those are constellations.

I think we have one like that on the For Sale forum at the moment?
 
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The only Constellation Pie Pan that's larger than 35 mm is the hidden crown 168.010 (or is it the 168.004? I always mix the two up).

And yes, they aren't exactly rare, just highly sought after so therefore expensive.
 
Sturmvogel
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I agree that is not a Constellation, but one that is larger than 35mm. I saw the one for sale at the forum. I really like it except the scratch on the dial at one o'clock. But otherwise, that is exactly the type of Omega I am looking for.
 
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Sturmvogel Sturmvogel
OK, basically I prefer a larger one than 35mm. The 2505 as shown here: https://www.blackbough.co.uk/omega-reference-2505-varying-examples-of-this-oversize-model/ would be perfect. Ideally a steel one with silver hands (similar to the top two in the first photo of the linked page).

There are similar ones currently at eBay, but I have no clue if they are original or not unfortunately.
That's the thing though, no oversize piepan was ever made, just the 34.5 and the slightly bigger hidden crown, oversize typically refers to 37-39 or so and while you can find some bumpers and even some late non-piepan Connies that are around that size (a very hard to find final jumbo connie can be found that's close) none are available as piepans.

You'll have to go for a non piepan if you want to go that big.
 
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U ulackfocus
The only Constellation Pie Pan that's larger than 35 mm is the hidden crown 168.010 (or is it the 168.004? I always mix the two up).

I think that on these the dials are larger than the pie-pans, due to the short lugs and smaller bezel, but the diameter is roughly the same.

The largest of the cal. 56X models are the Ref. 14777 and 168.001 (same case, different Omega numbering system):

http://omega-constellation-collectors.blogspot.com/2014/12/the-14395-daddy-of-jumbo-omega.html

http://www.mediafire.com/file/s5x27585l7dlnhs/Omega Constellation Jumbo.pdf

Hope this helps,
gatorcpa
 
dsio
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Also do keep in mind that some people will often list on eBay and other places incorrect measurements, particularly by including the crown in the measurement rather than doing it diagonally to get the correct value, I've also seen people try to wrap dressmaker's measuring tape around and getting a much larger value as a result.
 
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Sturmvogel, here's an older thread with examples of 36mm 168.004 Connies, pie-pan and non-piepan. Hoi's example is particularly nice.

I have a 168.004 which is 36mm - it wears true to size, and definitely doesn't wear as large as my 37mm 2505. As you can see, the lugs are shorter and stubbier, so it wears as it should.
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Roger
it is an unwritten rule that those posting do a bit of work themselves -as I'm sure all of the members are just as busy with their daily lives....

However, you will find that if you do find a watch that you would like to consider, the members here will be more than generous with their time in assisting you with information/appraisals if you post pictures

As previously noted, narrowing down what you are looking for is the first step to saving you some time

Desmond's site is an excellent and easily accessible source of information about many of the type (and sizes) of constellations available.
The front page has a piece on 'jumbo' Constellations
There are also some great threads on Connies showing a myriad of different styles (just try a search ) which will help


Good luck with your hunt!
 
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