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Omega Constellation on Catawiki Fake or Genuine?

Olga Z
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Dear Experts,

I have just won this Omega Constellation on Catawiki, and wanted to ask you if, in your opinion, it is fake or real. I noticed that there is no Swiss Made print on the dial, however the description says that it it a redial, which is fine for me, as long as the rest is authentic.
Please let me know your opinion. The link to the watch is below:

Thank you very much! ☺️
Olga

http://www.catawiki.com/kavels/19727001
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Dan S
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I don't see any reason to think that it's fake. BTW, you will probably get more responses if you post photos directly, instead of posting a link.
 
Olga Z
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Dan S Dan S
I don't see any reason to think that it's fake. BTW, you will probably get more responses if you post photos directly, instead of posting a link.
Oh thank you! I am new here so don’t really know how the things work. I will post the pics shortly.
Thank you again!
 
efauser
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There is one problem: Listing says it's a cal 1012 but 1012 isn't a chronometer, as the dial clearly states. I can't read the caliber from the photos. It's either a franken or redial. I'm leaning toward it being both.
 
eugeneandresson
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I am way out of my depth here, but all the text looks suspicious to my eyes. And now I notice the minute markers...
 
efauser
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Reading all the way to the bottom of the listing, it clearly states that it's a redial. The question in my mind, was this done to defraud an uneducated buyer? Absolutely! I would tell the so-called expert Berry Harleman that he doesn't know shit and would demand my money back because the OP thought she was buying a Constellation chronometer and got nothing of the sort.
 
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Got a couple of these at hand so we can compare. It appears to be a redial because its missing the lume at the end of the markers. Also crown is protruding too much so I am assuming that is also wrong. Dont want to venture 😲 into opening these guys up otherwise I could also give you some movement pictures.
 
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ClarendonVintage
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Some awkward spacing between 'METER' and I'm hoping it's the camera but all the fonts look wobbly. And the minute markers of course as mentioned.
 
ConElPueblo
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To add to the chorus - note that there are lume on the hands, but not on the dial.


EDIT: And no "Swiss Made" 🤦🤦
 
Shabbaz
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People... OP knows it's a redial and she is fine with it....
 
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ConElPueblo ConElPueblo
To add to the chorus - note that there are lume on the hands, but not on the dial.


EDIT: And no "Swiss Made" 🤦🤦
Guess they ran out of paint 😁
 
Shabbaz
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And thanks to ConElPueblo I have my 1000 likes! We have a winner!
 
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Shabbaz Shabbaz
People... OP knows it's a redial and she is fine with it....
Yes, she's fine with it being a redial but is she fine with said redial stating the watch is something it isn't?
 
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We have to ask Olga... I'm still enjoying my 1000 likes...
 
Dan S
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efauser efauser
Yes, she's fine with it being a redial but is she fine with said redial stating the watch is something it isn't?

Yes, this is subtle, but a very good point. The OP was aware that the dial was refinished, but she was probably not aware that it was refinished inaccurately, claiming to be a chronometer. That does seem fraudulent, and a good catch by @efauser.

Edit: Changed my mind about this, see below.
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Dan S
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[Note: I edited my previous post when I realized it was wrong.]

OK, this appears to be the reference, ST 768.0806, with a cal 686/685. Can anyone read the caliber number off of the OP's photos? I can't see the calibre number, but I think it says "17 jewels", so it doesn't look right (cal 682 should have 24j, I believe). Perhaps a replaced movement.


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efauser
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Yes, this is subtle, but a very good point. The OP was aware that the dial was refinished, but she was probably not aware that it was refinished inaccurately, claiming to be a chronometer. That does seem fraudulent, and a good catch by @efauser.

Edit: Changed my mind about this, see below.
I would edit this edit.
 
Dan S
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efauser efauser
I would edit this edit.

What are your thoughts? I'm of the mind that the reference is actually a chronometer, but with a swapped movement.
 
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