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··Vintage Omega AficionadoLooks like the WG connie was pulled - likely the seller was afraid bidding wouldn't reach price expectations so far.
Omega Constellation 'C' 18k solid white gold
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ulackfocus
·Lots of gold dials without OM - seems having OM in a gold dial is the exception rather than the rule.
Storing that tidbit in the memory bank. 😉 It's pretty obvious I haven't been playing in this league long enough!
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·2 ebay listings with direct bearing on this thread:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/120891137485
http://www.ebay.com/itm/270946882260
Respectable Member MSNWatch
Thanks for sharing those watches with us. They are wonderful.
Kindly advise what is an Armadellon bracelet. How many types of bracelets are produced for Omega Constellation watches and generally, what do you think of the quality of Omega solid gold bracelets against Rolex solid gold bracelets.
Pictures of the various types of bracelets for Omega Constellation watches would be appreciated.
Thank-you.
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··Vintage Omega AficionadoDesmond covered most of those bracelet questions here:
http://omega-constellation-collecto.../omega-constellation-accessories-1952-75.html
http://omega-constellation-collecto.../omega-constellation-accessories-1952-75.html
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·Looks like the WG connie was pulled - likely the seller was afraid bidding wouldn't reach price expectations so far.
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Personally, I do not see any difference between a stainless-steel watch and another in white gold. Why do collectors go after the white gold ones, despite both metals look alike.
From a distance, will one be able to tell the difference between the two metals?
Thank-you.
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·White gold has a warmer appearance than the cold & clinical look of stainless steel.
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··Vintage Omega AficionadoAt the end of the day, the wearer know the watch he/she is wearing is wg and not steel and that should be the most important thing and not what others think.
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·White gold has a warmer appearance than the cold & clinical look of stainless steel.
Respectable Member ulackfocus
Thank-you for the response and it is appreciated.
Thanks.
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·At the end of the day, the wearer know the watch he/she is wearing is wg and not steel and that should be the most important thing and not what others think.
Respectable Member MSNWatch
Thanks for the reply.
Yes, I am sure the feeling of wearing a gold watch, irrespective of its color, will surely make the owner feel happy and contented - I have achieved something in life.
Assuming, collectors do not find the white gold Constellation desirable, do you think its price will be lower than one in yellow or pink gold?
By the way, the listing has ended and what you reckon is the price that could be expected, for such a beautiful watch, a) with and b) without bracelet. Indeed the bracelet makes the watch look terrific, just like the one ulackfocus has, posted in this thread.
As for the yellow gold one, which is in excellent condition too, what price you reckon, it will achieve.
Thank-you.
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·Storing that tidbit in the memory bank. 😉 It's pretty obvious I haven't been playing in this league long enough!
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The beauty of vintage-watch collecting is, with helpful members around, we learn something new, all the time.
Thank-you.
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·On the white gold question and the wear-through on the bracelet clasp, it's quite common to see yellowing of bracelet clasps on well worn bracelets. Some of the bleaching metals used to produce white gold aren't as good as others: nickle, so thay say, isnt as good as palladium and thus there will be a yellowish colour once the rhodium was worn off the clasp.
Rhodium is a member of the platinum 'family' and is rarer than platinum or gold, the price for an ounce usually hovering around the platinum price although things have changed since 2007. Predictions are that the supply/demand situation with rhodium will falter, causing a price hike, because of it's use in catalytic converters!
So while rhodium plate often appears on white gold, and white gold omegas, its an equally precious, and rare, metal.
Cheers
Desmond
Rhodium is a member of the platinum 'family' and is rarer than platinum or gold, the price for an ounce usually hovering around the platinum price although things have changed since 2007. Predictions are that the supply/demand situation with rhodium will falter, causing a price hike, because of it's use in catalytic converters!
So while rhodium plate often appears on white gold, and white gold omegas, its an equally precious, and rare, metal.
Cheers
Desmond
Respectable Member ulackfocus
The beauty of vintage-watch collecting is, with helpful members around, we learn something new, all the time.
Thank-you.
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·Desmond covered most of those bracelet questions here:
http://omega-constellation-collecto.../omega-constellation-accessories-1952-75.html
Respectable Member MSNWatch
Thanks for pointing out to me, Desmond's essay on bracelets. Indeed it is informative and interesting, though very confusing.
Thank-you.
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·On the white gold question and the wear-through on the bracelet clasp, it's quite common to see yellowing of bracelet clasps on well worn bracelets. Some of the bleaching metals used to produce white gold aren't as good as others: nickle, so thay say, isnt as good as palladium and thus there will be a yellowish colour once the rhodium was worn off the clasp.
Hi Desmond. I'm aware of the difference in bleaching metals:
http://www.watchtalkforums.info/forums/general-discussion-forum/12326.htm
Actually, there's a whole series on everything about a watch:
http://www.watchtalkforums.info/forums/general-discussion-forum/22496.htm
What I was suspicious of is the quality of the gold and why Omega used something that needed rhodium plating. It made me question the authenticity.
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··Vintage Omega AficionadoSome watch companies take 18k YG and then rhodium plate it on top to transform it into WG. Rolex I believe did (or does) it. Omega may have done it the same way though I don't know for sure.
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·I don't blame the seller for not separating the original bracelet. That's a big part of it's value. White gold is much more rare than yellow. I don't know if $15,000 is a fair price, especially since most sellers overvalue their watch - some knowing that buyers will want to negotiate. The rarest of those 18ct white gold C-cased Connies is the 168.009 with it's original bracelet. Even the dial is 18ct solid gold. Do you have a picture of the inside of the caseback? If it is that reference, it should have a caliber 561 from 1966 inside. It probably is because of the OM SWISS MADE OM on the dial - designating a solid gold dial. Just for reference, I paid significantly less for my 168.009 with the solid gold brick bracelet which is a bit thicker than that mesh bracelet.
Something is fishy about that clasp - if the bracelet is solid gold (and that style usually was) then why is the clasp rhodium plated (which is now mostly worn off)? Wait to see if Desmond can provide a better answer.
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A friend of mine, has been looking for an Omega Constellation 18k solid yellow gold, similar to your watch, with a brick bracelet.
He would like to know, what proportion is the price of the bracelet relative to the watch-head. It is assumed, there is no repair to be done to the bracelet and the watch-head is excellent condition (not mint) and it has recently been serviced. In short, the watch is ready to be worn.
Thank-you.
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·I'd say the bracelet is worth about 60% of the total value. Mint 18ct C-cases go for $2,000-ish and the bracelet is at least $3000. Together as an original watch they're worth more than the sum of their parts though.
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··Vintage Omega AficionadoFor earlier connies culminating in the bumper grand luxe models, the head is worth at least as much if not more than the bracelet. Agreed though that the combo is worth more than either head or bracelet priced individually.
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·I'd say the bracelet is worth about 60% of the total value. Mint 18ct C-cases go for $2,000-ish and the bracelet is at least $3000. Together as an original watch they're worth more than the sum of their parts though.
Respectable Member ulackfocus
Thanks for the information.
Is this ratio, applicable only to the 18k solid gold Constellation 'C' with a brick bracelet or it can be applied across the board, including the 'C' with a spring-loaded bracelet, as well as, the gold-capped ones that come with a gold-filled 'beads of rice'?
Let's say, a mint condition watch-head can be bought for $3 000.00 and also, a mint condition bracelet for $4 500.00, offered separately, by two different sellers, thus giving a total price of $7 500.00 - based on the 40/60 proportion. From observations, it is easier to get a watch-head than a bracelet, individually.
Based on what you said and supported by another valued forum member, if both items are offered as a unit, how much above $7 500.00 will the price be?
Though rarely happens, what will the price be, if that particular unit comes with papers and also, original box? The last question is of course, wishful thinking, since it is a one in a million chance, for such dream to become a reality.
Thank-you.
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·For earlier connies culminating in the bumper grand luxe models, the head is worth at least as much if not more than the bracelet. Agreed though that the combo is worth more than either head or bracelet priced individually.
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Thanks for the information.
'For earlier connies culminating ........ more than the bracelet', what will the general asking price be for the combo, assuming watch-head and bracelet are in mint condition?
Thank-you.
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·when buying a gold bracelet, I have my own "rules" that I'd like to share
1_Bracelets with 18mm endlinks are worth more than 19mm.
2_Bracelets with clasps are more valuable than the other styles.
3_Watch for streched links to avoid.
4_Removable bracelet is better than the permanently welded on.
5_Make sure the holding pins and supporting lugs are still intact.
Best.
1_Bracelets with 18mm endlinks are worth more than 19mm.
2_Bracelets with clasps are more valuable than the other styles.
3_Watch for streched links to avoid.
4_Removable bracelet is better than the permanently welded on.
5_Make sure the holding pins and supporting lugs are still intact.
Best.
