Omega 2364 tiffany dial question

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alalalalongines

·Nov 20, 2022

Hello guys

I am looking at this reference 2364 chronometre with a tiffany dial which is being sold for 3900 euros.
Comparing it with the examples in Erich Lexers Book i came to the conclusion that it looks original and not refinished. But in the examples from youtube the minute ring looks more reflective.
Could it be a really good refinished dial?
What do you think about the price?
I is obviously missing the two screws holding the movement in the case.
Thank you very much for your time!

 

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Geezer

·Nov 20, 2022

I think it's a redial, although a very good one.

The edge of the subdial is soft and it seems that despite the dial being super clean and new looking, it is losing small pieces of paint everywhere. It is especially noticeable at 6 o'clock and only the black paint is affected (the rest is perfect).

The hands and movement also look a bit too damaged for such a clean dial. Case is refinished.

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Tony C.

·Nov 20, 2022·Ωf Jury member

I would say the only possibility of it being genuine (i.e. not a redial) is if it was NOS, and replaced the original dial. It is far too clean and bright to be original.

 

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alalalalongines

·Nov 20, 2022

Thank you very much for the feedback. Also the indices are a bit closer to the center showing the paint below which i havent seen before.

 

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X350 XJR

·Nov 20, 2022·Vintage Omega Aficionado

Printing isn't crisp enough and the missing movement retainer screws doesn't help the watches credibility.

 

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Pixitfecit

·Nov 20, 2022

The Chronometre lettering looks ok, but the tiffany lettering not at all.

 

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speedyben

·Nov 20, 2022

Pixitfecit

The Chronometre lettering looks ok, but the tiffany lettering not at all.

As far as I know the retailer stamp was often added by the retailer once they had the stock hence the differing font/thickness so I wouldn't say it was off because of that, in fact if they matched I would be more inclined to think it was redialed and added at the same time.

The ampersand in feels very 1950's, it's very stylised and I think would have been an omission by someone adding it after the fact.
Only my opinion of course!

 

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OllieOnTheRocks

·Nov 21, 2022

I believe this is one I have had in my possession a year or two ago and the clear sign that it is a redial is where the ring does not touch the end of the gold index at 9 and 3. All original examples I have seen have these align much more closely.

 

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alalalalongines

·Nov 22, 2022

Thanks again.

Could you please help me again in evaluating this piece? Apart from the obvious ding in the case and the two (minor for me) errors in the dial this one looks like a good purchase.
What do you think?

 

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Geezer

·Nov 22, 2022

That dent is pretty big.

Even if you're ok with that and the dial condition, I would want to make sure that the lugs are not deformed. It's really hard to determine that from pictures alone.

If I were you, I'd be a bit more patient and wait for a better piece.

 

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alalalalongines

·Nov 22, 2022

Geezer

That dent is pretty big.

Even if you're ok with that and the dial condition, I would want to make sure that the lugs are not deformed. It's really hard to determine that from pictures alone.

If I were you, I'd be a bit more patient and wait for a better piece.

Thank you! That is what i needed to hear!

 

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X350 XJR

·Nov 22, 2022·Vintage Omega Aficionado

Agree with the above assessment, but the dial is original so at least you have it for reference. Comparing it to the originally posted example, you should clearly be able to see the inconsistencies.