Omega 145.012-67 May '68 Ultraman?

Aditor · Dec 17, 2021

Hi everyone,
I bought an Omega 321 145.012-67 to which only the central hand of the chronograph has been replaced. Which gave me some doubts about the period and the model. In addition to the abnormal replacement of a single hand. I asked for the extract and the orange hand is unfortunately not indicated between the notes.
I had read of some cases for the USA and South American market where the extract did not indicate the particularity of ULTRAMAN.
Another anomaly arises from the MEXICO destination.
Today I ask you if you are aware of it?
Could the watch still be an Ultraman even if not marked on the excerpt? What more should I ask of Omega? I am in love with this watch but obviously it would be a beautiful and lucky surprise from every point of view. I was waiting to buy the correct lancet from an old stock and waited until the end.
If you have any advice to clear all my doubts, please write to me.
Adi

YY77 · Dec 17, 2021

This is the perfect example of issues with EOA like @Archer indicated several times. I'm guessing if you had sent in a picture with the orange chrono hand the extract most likely would have stated that.

MtV · Dec 17, 2021

YY77
This is the perfect example of issues with EOA like @Archer indicated several times. I'm guessing if you had sent in a picture with the orange chrono hand the extract most likely would have stated that.

I was just gonna say the same. Does Omega track in any form for which serials they’ve provided extracts? If not I’d suggest you install the orange Chrono hand and ask again… 😁

Aditor · Dec 17, 2021

I had thought the same thing. Moreover, the elderly watchmaker who sold it to me told me that he remembered the owner who didn't like that absurd color for a classic watch. He tells me that that watch made him constantly revise and he immediately removed the bracelet because he ate the cuffs of his watch. In short, this is to say that he could have been a customer who was not happy with the orange hand. ahahahahhah

watchyouwant · Dec 17, 2021

Every Speedmaster is a potential Ultraman. Just buy the correct lengths orange hand from Vietnam for $200 and be happy. You have to find the source in Vietnam yourself. Ask the factory. Multiple times. Instal all possible hands, until the factory gives in and says, yes, it's a very, very rare Ultraman. Then give it to a Swiss auction house and make millions. And then everyone can do the same.....

Archer · Dec 17, 2021

MtV
I was just gonna say the same. Does Omega track in any form for which serials they’ve provided extracts? If not I’d suggest you install the orange Chrono hand and ask again… 😁

If they then issued one with a notation for the orange hand, then I think it would confirm without doubt that these extracts are extremely dubious...

joe band · Dec 17, 2021

… And the eagle flies with the dove

you have a cool 321 speedy.

And if you can't be with the one you love honey
Love the one you're with, Love the one you're with

Aditor · Dec 17, 2021

MtV
I was just gonna say the same. Does Omega track in any form for which serials they’ve provided extracts? If not I’d suggest you install the orange Chrono hand and ask again… 😁

I would really do it and then publish it again below !! But find the orange hand?
If you have any suggestions, contacts or anything else, thank you right now !!

Aditor · Dec 17, 2021

2021-12-17-16_37_53-OMEGA-Speedmaster-Professional-Ultraman---The-definitive-review.jpg

Of course it would have been a good fortune having paid less than what a 321 is worth, not having the bracelet and having seen the non-original hands. But from the search for tritium hands, curiosity was born. Having limited serial numbers and such similar characteristics, the doubt comes to you, it is useless to lie, also for the economic value !! Then love him I love him and how.
from https://www.watchbooksonly.com/articles/watch-reviews/omega-speedmaster-ultraman/

Enchanted · Dec 17, 2021

Aditor
I had thought the same thing. Moreover, the elderly watchmaker who sold it to me told me that he remembered the owner who didn't like that absurd color for a classic watch. He tells me that that watch made him constantly revise and he immediately removed the bracelet because he ate the cuffs of his watch. In short, this is to say that he could have been a customer who was not happy with the orange hand. ahahahahhah

That hour and min hands would be my first go to. Maybe look for those too while at it?

padders · Dec 17, 2021

Omega have no idea which are legit The accepted and verified range is now in excess of 4k serials, yours is in range. Resubmit with a Vietnamese red hand and get your UM extract. It’s a very dodgy situation but why should you miss out. Likewise why should anyone be daft enough to pay a massive premiun for an Ultraman when there are in theory 4k others and some are fake.

Snoopys run to thousands of copies and justify megabucks in the current market it serms. Maybe the UM is worth it too despite there being maybe 60-80x as many out there as some originally thought.

The extract system can still be gamed like this despite assurances that the dubious practices seen 10-20 years ago have been eradicated. Got a 26.07m Speedy? Congrats you have a potential Ultraman.

Aditor · Dec 17, 2021

Enchanted
That hour and min hands would be my first go to. Maybe look for those too while at it?

You're right. I was looking for the whole set. The orange hand was born during the study of the reference, the model and the year. Otherwise I was thinking of a simple vintage white set. However to see the caseback, the engravings of the revisions are many. Poor watch !!

Aditor · Dec 17, 2021

padders
Omega have no idea which are legit The range is around 3-4k serials. Resubmit with a Vietnamese red hand and get your UM extract. It’s a very dodgy situation but why should you miss out. Likewise why should anyone be daft enough to pay a massive premiun for a red hand when there are in theory 4k others and some are fake.

Snoopys run to thousands of copies and justify megabucks. Maybe the UM is with it too despite there being maybe 30-40x as many as some originally though.

You are not wrong. Everything was born because the hands installed suck and are not even original. In looking for a normal white vintage set (moreover very expensive), putting the year, reference and serial number, I found more articles on the ultraman than on the standard model. Believe me I didn't know about the Ultraman before. Now I am just careful in knowing what I have in my hands. I think everyone would ask themselves a few questions. If you see the date of the extract it is today. Allow me to have a moment of desire to understand. ahahahhaha.

hanky6 · Dec 17, 2021

” only the central hand of the chronograph has been replaced. Which gave me some doubts about the period and the model. In addition to the abnormal replacement of a single hand”.

To me it sounds like all other parts are thought to be legit Ultraman? But main hour and minute hand are not correct so the story of only the orange hand being replaced does not make sense.

Dan321 · Dec 17, 2021

Are you wanting it to be an ultraman because you actually like the orange hand or because they command a price premium?

Aditor · Dec 18, 2021

Dan321
Are you wanting it to be an ultraman because you actually like the orange hand or because they command a price premium?

I'm starting to collect speedmasters now. The purchase of this watch was a surprise and an opportunity. In any case I am happy and I will not sell it because it is a model that I was looking for and that I want. By movement and year. Now I'll look for one from 1974. The Ultraman speech was born because I immediately noticed the non-original Omega hand and treated the price on that one. I was told what I wrote. Through a book I discovered that the other hands are also incorrect and I bought a complete set of the period in the UK. Two weeks ago, looking for news on 145.012-67 of 1968, the ULTRAMAN discourse was born. Everything fit together. I read that in that year of production, ULTRAMAN in that range of serials, so the need to know grows. When I also read Mexico from the extract despite being bought in Italy, my desire to know is even more founded. This is the spirit of my post. Then I don't even know where to buy that lancet. Probably even if ULTRAMAN had been written on the extract, I would never have found such a rare replacement.

Dan321 · Dec 18, 2021

Aditor
I'm starting to collect speedmasters now. The purchase of this watch was a surprise and an opportunity. In any case I am happy and I will not sell it because it is a model that I was looking for and that I want. By movement and year. Now I'll look for one from 1974. The Ultraman speech was born because I immediately noticed the non-original Omega hand and treated the price on that one. I was told what I wrote. Through a book I discovered that the other hands are also incorrect and I bought a complete set of the period in the UK. Two weeks ago, looking for news on 145.012-67 of 1968, the ULTRAMAN discourse was born. Everything fit together. I read that in that year of production, ULTRAMAN in that range of serials, so the need to know grows. When I also read Mexico from the extract despite being bought in Italy, my desire to know is even more founded. This is the spirit of my post. Then I don't even know where to buy that lancet. Probably even if ULTRAMAN had been written on the extract, I would never have found such a rare replacement.

Thanks for replying. I too have a 145.012 that falls into the correct range etc, I have even found out the the serial number next to mine (1 number different) was an ultraman, I had the same thought as you, mine was from my dad-he bought it brand new in 68, so I just asked him if it ever had an orange hand, it didn’t, he told me he wouldn’t have bought one with an orange hand. It’s amazing what a premium they carry. There are quite a few threads on here about them and one member has done an estimated calculation, his results confirmed there were likely 1000’s produced, not the initial 50-100 that were originally thought.
You can source an omega orange hand from another model if that is the look you are wanting, it would be a slightly different size and a different shade of orange but probably not noticeable to the naked eye while on the watch.

kaplan · Dec 18, 2021

I had some time in my hands and wondered what was possible, but obviously the current hand is too thin for a simple job

In hindsight, you could just re-submit with someone else's photo and your movement photos

Just pm me if you want the photo removed

SpeedyPhill · Dec 18, 2021

More info on the 145.012-67 Speedmaster Ultraman in 3rd (2019) edition of Moonwatch Only (page 539)
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Subspecies · Dec 18, 2021

Are the hour and minute hands not also wrong? Lume fill is shorter on both hands. I'm a newbie though so perhaps nothing.

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