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Not impressed with my PO 8500
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Baz9614
·I'm with ya on the Orange PO, and it's my only modern watch, but mine is a 2500C and I love it!
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Moswissa
·I'm fascinated by this "research". Was it this post from back on the first page of this thread, where @dsio said exactly the same thing?
https://omegaforums.net/threads/not-impressed-with-my-po-8500.35968/#post-407523
It took a lot of research to refer back to the page lol
Anyways, got my second half link! My watch feels much better on my wrist. Paid $51 fof a tiny bald link.
The technician at omega tested my watch at 4.5 seconds per day. He gave me a print out. He said he could regulate it for me but it's. It worth it to open up a watch that isn't broke. He did say to come back after I wear it out as it could slow down. He didn't want to call it a break in period. He called it a roll in period. So we'll see. Anyways thanks everyone
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STANDY
··schizophrenic pizza orderer and watch collectorI liked this research heaps better than the OPs
Didn't want to out him in the Archie thread but not hard to work out OSP is PatrickJ 😲
Ironically, this is the second time you've asked us to do that Patrick, will you be coming back as Peter next time? In any case, your fake "Paul" persona was every bit as rude and aggressive as the Patrick we all know and love.
Didn't want to out him in the Archie thread but not hard to work out OSP is PatrickJ 😲
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panamavin
·Wow what a roller coaster ride of a thread this has been! Glad to hear in the end everything worked out. Cracking piece and I for one came to the same conclusion as you with the half link trick for my PO. Then put it on rubber and it dropped about 5 pounds!
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CanberraOmega
·M MoswissaIt took a lot of research to refer back to the page lol
Anyways, got my second half link! My watch feels much better on my wrist. Paid $51 fof a tiny bald link.
The technician at omega tested my watch at 4.5 seconds per day. He gave me a print out. He said he could regulate it for me but it's. It worth it to open up a watch that isn't broke. He did say to come back after I wear it out as it could slow down. He didn't want to call it a break in period. He called it a roll in period. So we'll see. Anyways thanks everyone
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Moswissa
·Nvm it ran 4.1. The first test ran 4.5, then the tech fully winded the watch
The paper looks to be cut off so you can't really see the positions, what a bummer. Maybe someone is familiar with how this machine prints out the results and can shed some light.
The tech was like "let me show u a random PO I have at the store and show you how similar it us to yours". He ran it through the machine and that baby scored a 0.8 seconds haha boy I was jealous but the tech was like," it loses -3 at this position, and the delta on yours was much more accuracy, plus this watch wasn't fully wound" blah blah lol kinda showed him that my watch was borderline meeting the specs. He told me to come back in a few months so I'll keep this thread updated
The paper looks to be cut off so you can't really see the positions, what a bummer. Maybe someone is familiar with how this machine prints out the results and can shed some light.
The tech was like "let me show u a random PO I have at the store and show you how similar it us to yours". He ran it through the machine and that baby scored a 0.8 seconds haha boy I was jealous but the tech was like," it loses -3 at this position, and the delta on yours was much more accuracy, plus this watch wasn't fully wound" blah blah lol kinda showed him that my watch was borderline meeting the specs. He told me to come back in a few months so I'll keep this thread updated
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CanberraOmega
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Yours is inside specs in every position. Effectively it is both accurate and consistent (if we treat the red bullseye as omega's specifications). In some ways it is pure fluke that the other watch averaged out at 0.8. That watch is like the three statisticians who go hunting. First misses a meter to the left, second misses a meter to the right. Third yells "Bulls eye"
Edit: omega doesn't have specifications for each individual position, just the average, so my comment above that the other watch was outside omega specs in one position was inaccurate
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Nobel Prize
·Thanks, but not exactly the information I was asking for. I have no idea what a "rep" is...
I'm going to asume "rep" is representative. And I'm assuming by that he means the Omega boutique representative or the representative at the Omega Boutique. Perhaps an ignorant salesperson or perhaps a knowledgeable technician.
What is interesting is that the person that told me was the technician on his white coat coming from the lab to fix a spring on my bezel, and it seems that it was also a technician that measured the performance of the OP's watch and told him, plus the "rep" at the boutique on Beverly Hills. So it seems that real or not someone at omega is training or telling their employees to tell this story. True or not that's what they say. Maybe just something to keep every eager OD new owner of an automatic watch from freaking out or maybe they actually believe it, or maybe it's true or maybe it's just one of those things.
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M.D.
·This forum is always entertaining. 🍿
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Moswissa
·Same watch for 14 days, this is the problem. Like others have said, buy a few more watches.
I have plenty of watches but I just bought this watch and I'm in love with it. I'm sure I'm going to be wearing this everyday for at least a few months before I start rotating again lol
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wsfarrell
·Omega makes the watch run fast because although it really makes no sense, people prefer a fast watch to a slow one. People (well most people) would prefer a watch to run +4 or even +6, rather than just one second slow per day.
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerPerhaps an ignorant salesperson or perhaps a knowledgeable technician.
That's what I'm trying to find out...not what the persons first name is. 😉
If it's a sales representative, then on technical aspects I would default to pretty much ignore whatever they say. Nothing against sales reps, but when it comes to technical subjects most are pretty clueless, even at boutiques. There are obviously exceptions, but most sales people for watches that I have ever dealt with were not well versed in the products from a technical perspective, and to sell watches they really don't need to be.
Regarding the person in the white coat, I would assume that is either a boutique technician, or possibly a boutique watchmaker. Note that there is a very big difference between those two. The boutique watchmaker will be a formally trained watchmaker (capable of doing a full service, repairs, etc.), where the boutique technician will be someone off the street (or someone selected from the sales force) and given a 6 week training program. They are restricted to doing very minor repairs, with simple regulation being the most difficult thing they will tackle, and only if the delta falls within certain parameters since they really don't do any adjusting.
As for what Omega is telling their people to say, well I don't think either of us can prove one way or another what that is or where this information comes from. What I can tell you is that in all the formal education and training I have had (including co-axial training at Omega) the subject of "break in" as it's known on watch forums was never discussed. We were never told that you set the watch to run fast because over time it will "break in" and slow down. I would find it odd that something so universally accepted by some was never discussed in watchmaking school or any brand training I have ever attended.
As I've told the OP in the other thread he started about his watch on that other forum, there is a very short period where things like balance amplitudes and rates can change just after a watch is serviced, but this is more like 12 to 24 hours, not days, weeks, or months.
Again I'm quite willing to listen to any well reasoned technical argument to explain this phenomenon, but "the guy in the white coat at the boutique said so" is not particularly well reasoned, at least for me. 😀
Cheers, Al
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerM MoswissaNvm it ran 4.1. The first test ran 4.5, then the tech fully winded the watch
The paper looks to be cut off so you can't really see the positions, what a bummer. Maybe someone is familiar with how this machine prints out the results and can shed some light.
The tech was like "let me show u a random PO I have at the store and show you how similar it us to yours". He ran it through the machine and that baby scored a 0.8 seconds haha boy I was jealous but the tech was like," it loses -3 at this position, and the delta on yours was much more accuracy, plus this watch wasn't fully wound" blah blah lol kinda showed him that my watch was borderline meeting the specs. He told me to come back in a few months so I'll keep this thread updated
Your watch is not borderline. It is running very well, and meets/exceeds Omegas specs in every aspect. If you consider that the Delta here is just 2.2 seconds over 5 positions, that is an excellent result. Omega allows this to be as much as 12 seconds.
In one post you mentioned that adjusting the rate could affect the watch in other ways - he is referring to the Delta number. I don't know if this is a boutique technician or boutique watchmaker, but since this watch has a free sprung balance it's not just a matter of moving a lever. Two screws on the balance wheel would have to be turned to slow this watch down, and if they are not turned exactly the same amount a poise error can be introduced that will negatively affect the Delta.
The slowest position appears to be dial up, provided they are using the order of measurements that Omega specifies in work instruction 28...
Cheers, Al
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerI think there's a rational and an irrational reason. The rational reason: most people would rather be early than late. The irrational reason: a watch running fast feels like it's strong, healthy. A watch running slow feels weak, tired, like it might be wearing out or running down.
What makes no sense is that people generally feel that a watch running +4 is "better" than one running -1 (as for example dsio said back on page 2). It is not better...it's less accurate in strict technical terms. I sort of live with these questions daily, so I'm aware of and understand all the rationalizations, including the ones you listed and what dsio said about being able to hack the watch to correct the time. I personally will hack it at 12, and wait the extra minute...I don't find it to be all that inconvenient to do personally, but to each their own.
When people send me a watch for servicing, they will often tell me that they prefer the watch to run several seconds fast, rather then even 1 second slow. Of course I adjust the watches to their wishes, and in fact if I get that occasional guy that insists I adjust the watch as close as possible to zero average rate, I always warn them that when doing this there is a chance (considering positional variation where some positions will naturally be negative) that depending on how they wear the watch, it might end up slow on their wrists. Some still ask me to make it as close to zero as possible, but others ask me to make it slightly fast.
Cheers, Al
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Nobel Prize
·As always Archer brilliant information on these posts coming from you. And yes I'll agree "the person in the white coat at the lab" is not a reasoned technical argument, then again it's not meant to be, it's simply what happened. When he told me I wasn't in the need, nor am I know, to ask for his credentials and explanation as I simply care very little for " to the ssecond " accuracy. Neither do I think any of the other members that received such responses cared to ask for a detailed technical explanation that most likely would fly over our heads. The simple truth is that individuals on different positions and boutiques all have similar stories to tell.
That on itself does not make these true, your expertise and feedback is quite specific so it's a mere anecdotal fact that the break in theory is flying around as it is right from the Omega Boutique.
Perhaps as you describe the 12 to 24 hour period has been " extended" in People's minds, probably, as I suspect, to justify variances to a General public that would otherwise question such variances.
Anyway. Good stuff.!
That on itself does not make these true, your expertise and feedback is quite specific so it's a mere anecdotal fact that the break in theory is flying around as it is right from the Omega Boutique.
Perhaps as you describe the 12 to 24 hour period has been " extended" in People's minds, probably, as I suspect, to justify variances to a General public that would otherwise question such variances.
Anyway. Good stuff.!
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··Steve @ ΩFAl's last two posts:
Invaluable in depth information that you won't get at almost any boutique or highend dealer.
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Invaluable in depth information that you won't get at almost any boutique or highend dealer.
Charge: 0
Savings: incalculable
Value: only for those that read carefully and study well.
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CTS-V
·Dear Syed117 ,
Are you A real "Syed" like descendants from a respected Arabic clan from the time of the Prophet .....?
or ...you just love thinking OutSYEDthebox...Ha6x! Get It ?
How about posting photos of your Mercedes CLA in some
" WebSyed "...? Ha6x! Gotcha !
Just Kidding ok..? We're Cool ?
I screen captured a photo of your GC Speedy 57 with that Beautiful Honey Brown Baronia leather strap coz i'm envious of your watch !!
p/s last ??? Syed. Is it a coupe CLA 180 ? 250 ? Or the Freakin' Insanely OMG AMG CLA 45 ?
Nice talking to You !
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