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·Hi Omega Forums! My first post will be a little long, but thanks in advance for any help! Hoping to get some directional advice and evaluation on a few watches I'm considering. I'm a newer watch enjoyer and I'm getting ready to add another Omega to my collection to commemorate my upcoming wedding, possibly getting the caseback engraved. My current daily wear is an Omega Dynamic Ref. 166.0310 (https://www.chrono24.com/omega/dyna...er-1904785--id13449561.htm?checkoutId=1946681) and I've really enjoyed owning it. I don't need my next watch to have quite the same amount of utility as the Dynamic, but I'd love it to be able to be worn somewhat regularly in nice weather. My price range is 5k and under and I'm primarily after a unique piece that can be "well bought" value wise and hold up ok with a service every few years. Many of Omega's offerings have stood out to me styling wise and I've had good luck with my current one so I figured why not explore the brand further!
I've dug around a bit within existing threads, but would love input on my individual situation. Sorry in advance if I haven't searched enough!
Here are my candidates:
Cosmic TDMP:
If I'm honest I somewhat had my heart set on this model. I was almost ready to impulsively pull the trigger on #1 below, and then I started actually doing my homework on the model in general and I'm glad I did. I'm up to speed on the legacy case design causing water issues that have turned most TDMP's on the market into redials, but what I'm unclear on is how well redials hold their value (loaded question I'm sure) and how reliably these run. I understand that a discerning collector will favor originality and I don't blame them. I would be fine with either an original dial / hands / case piece that showed its age OR a cleaner redial provided that redial isn't simply a rip off and would hold some semblance of value.
Here's what I'd love to know more about on the TDMP:
- General pricing guidelines on an "acceptable" redial vs. an original piece with a fair amount of patina (subjective, I know, and we can discuss further)? In essence, I'm asking is there a real market for redials in general or is this something that people fall into unknowingly and I should avoid at all costs?
- Realistic outlook for cautious regular use; I've heard the lack of sealing in the case makes this an unattractive option for those that want to get their collection out of the case often.
- Am I out of line to expect either a high quality redial or worn original TDMP to be feasible under 5k?
Individual pieces I'm considering (these are all private Chrono24 sellers, which is a bit off putting):
#1 - https://www.chrono24.com/omega/omega-cosmic-triple-calendar-moonphase-1946--id28079934.htm
Upon actually researching them, this seems to be a pretty clear redial (Y/N?). The second & day hands also seem to be wrong as well. The crown being unsigned seems to be hit or miss with these, not always an indicator of trouble but not great to see?
How would you assess the dial of this watch? Any other conditional notes?
#2 - https://www.chrono24.com/omega/cosmic-triple-date-moonphase-calendar--id27486588.htm
This one isn't my preferred reference (I like the full numeral version), but I still very much enjoy the design. I can't discern if this dial is simply a worn original or a poor redial (day orientation from 9-23 seems correct but things like the brand insignia seem off).
How would you assess the dial of this watch? Any other conditional notes?
#3 - https://www.chrono24.com/omega/omega-cosmic-triple-date-moonphase--id25505963.htm
Again, seemingly original (clean enough to be suspect, imo) but I have had trouble getting the same answer twice as far as dial configuration goes for these as the references seemed to vary. The moonphase / seconds dial sees to be missing detail and the brand insignia being raised doesn't seem right?
How would you assess the dial of this watch? Any other conditional notes?
#4 - https://www.chrono24.com/omega/cosmic-ref2471--id27378276.htm
The day numerals certainly look to have been touched up, but the rest of the dial seems like it could be original?
How would you assess the dial of this watch? Any other conditional notes?
After getting somewhat spooked by the intricacies of buying a TDMP, I started digging around for other fun options within my price range, and landed on two Seamasters.
Seamaster 600:
I'm really only in on this watch in this particular configuration (white technical dial). I had seen one come across a vintage watch reseller earlier and wasn't ready to buy and haven't seen another until this one. I have many other black dials in my life already and this would be a welcome change.
Here's what I'd love to know more about on the 600:
- General pricing guidelines? The price is certainly more attractive than the TDMP, but I'm not sure how much of an overpay this specific piece would be.
- Any known issues / reasons to stay away?
- Feasible as a regular wear?
I'm really only considering the one piece below:
#1 - https://www.omegaenthusiastltd.com/product-page/1965-omega-seamaster-600-watch-3
The watch seems incredibly well kept and I have no reason to think it's a redial. Seller claims it's original and seems reputable.
Any general thoughts as to condition / originality based on its presentation from the seller?
Seamaster 120:
Again, I'm really attracted to this particular configuration. The overall condition of the watch doesn't bother me at all, but the notes from the seller about the dial & second hand being changed out do give me pause. If it's truly an Omega service I don't think that turns me off, but perhaps I'm missing a large hit to its value there?
Here's what I'd love to know more about on the 120:
- General pricing guidelines? Is the price out of bounds for a watch that might have had its configuration changed? I hesitate to call it a redial in the same vein as the TDMP's above, but it certainly doesn't seem original.
- Any known issues / reasons to stay away?
- Feasible as a regular wear?
I'm really only considering the one piece below:
#1 - https://www.chrono24.com/omega/rare...e-bezel-extract-166027-166027--id27209974.htm
Any general thoughts as to condition / originality based on its presentation from the seller?
This is an absolute wall of text so if you've made it this far, you must really want to help out a watch newbie. Thanks in advance! Do let me know if I can clarify anything.
I've dug around a bit within existing threads, but would love input on my individual situation. Sorry in advance if I haven't searched enough!
Here are my candidates:
Cosmic TDMP:
If I'm honest I somewhat had my heart set on this model. I was almost ready to impulsively pull the trigger on #1 below, and then I started actually doing my homework on the model in general and I'm glad I did. I'm up to speed on the legacy case design causing water issues that have turned most TDMP's on the market into redials, but what I'm unclear on is how well redials hold their value (loaded question I'm sure) and how reliably these run. I understand that a discerning collector will favor originality and I don't blame them. I would be fine with either an original dial / hands / case piece that showed its age OR a cleaner redial provided that redial isn't simply a rip off and would hold some semblance of value.
Here's what I'd love to know more about on the TDMP:
- General pricing guidelines on an "acceptable" redial vs. an original piece with a fair amount of patina (subjective, I know, and we can discuss further)? In essence, I'm asking is there a real market for redials in general or is this something that people fall into unknowingly and I should avoid at all costs?
- Realistic outlook for cautious regular use; I've heard the lack of sealing in the case makes this an unattractive option for those that want to get their collection out of the case often.
- Am I out of line to expect either a high quality redial or worn original TDMP to be feasible under 5k?
Individual pieces I'm considering (these are all private Chrono24 sellers, which is a bit off putting):
#1 - https://www.chrono24.com/omega/omega-cosmic-triple-calendar-moonphase-1946--id28079934.htm
Upon actually researching them, this seems to be a pretty clear redial (Y/N?). The second & day hands also seem to be wrong as well. The crown being unsigned seems to be hit or miss with these, not always an indicator of trouble but not great to see?
How would you assess the dial of this watch? Any other conditional notes?
#2 - https://www.chrono24.com/omega/cosmic-triple-date-moonphase-calendar--id27486588.htm
This one isn't my preferred reference (I like the full numeral version), but I still very much enjoy the design. I can't discern if this dial is simply a worn original or a poor redial (day orientation from 9-23 seems correct but things like the brand insignia seem off).
How would you assess the dial of this watch? Any other conditional notes?
#3 - https://www.chrono24.com/omega/omega-cosmic-triple-date-moonphase--id25505963.htm
Again, seemingly original (clean enough to be suspect, imo) but I have had trouble getting the same answer twice as far as dial configuration goes for these as the references seemed to vary. The moonphase / seconds dial sees to be missing detail and the brand insignia being raised doesn't seem right?
How would you assess the dial of this watch? Any other conditional notes?
#4 - https://www.chrono24.com/omega/cosmic-ref2471--id27378276.htm
The day numerals certainly look to have been touched up, but the rest of the dial seems like it could be original?
How would you assess the dial of this watch? Any other conditional notes?
After getting somewhat spooked by the intricacies of buying a TDMP, I started digging around for other fun options within my price range, and landed on two Seamasters.
Seamaster 600:
I'm really only in on this watch in this particular configuration (white technical dial). I had seen one come across a vintage watch reseller earlier and wasn't ready to buy and haven't seen another until this one. I have many other black dials in my life already and this would be a welcome change.
Here's what I'd love to know more about on the 600:
- General pricing guidelines? The price is certainly more attractive than the TDMP, but I'm not sure how much of an overpay this specific piece would be.
- Any known issues / reasons to stay away?
- Feasible as a regular wear?
I'm really only considering the one piece below:
#1 - https://www.omegaenthusiastltd.com/product-page/1965-omega-seamaster-600-watch-3
The watch seems incredibly well kept and I have no reason to think it's a redial. Seller claims it's original and seems reputable.
Any general thoughts as to condition / originality based on its presentation from the seller?
Seamaster 120:
Again, I'm really attracted to this particular configuration. The overall condition of the watch doesn't bother me at all, but the notes from the seller about the dial & second hand being changed out do give me pause. If it's truly an Omega service I don't think that turns me off, but perhaps I'm missing a large hit to its value there?
Here's what I'd love to know more about on the 120:
- General pricing guidelines? Is the price out of bounds for a watch that might have had its configuration changed? I hesitate to call it a redial in the same vein as the TDMP's above, but it certainly doesn't seem original.
- Any known issues / reasons to stay away?
- Feasible as a regular wear?
I'm really only considering the one piece below:
#1 - https://www.chrono24.com/omega/rare...e-bezel-extract-166027-166027--id27209974.htm
Any general thoughts as to condition / originality based on its presentation from the seller?
This is an absolute wall of text so if you've made it this far, you must really want to help out a watch newbie. Thanks in advance! Do let me know if I can clarify anything.
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