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New to vintage Omega..i think I got burned...
Get out fast. It’s worth about $360. As parts.
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Franco
·Total rubbish, just do not pay as it is a fake
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Lurk41
·I read "scamaster" when I saw the pic. For real...
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kev1976t
·ouch, was this being sold by an auction house then ?
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hejsam
·There is just no way anyone is willing to pay 3600USD for that when no one is willing to pay 1/5 of that price for my original 2996 with Seamaster dial.
https://omegaforums.net/threads/omega-2996-seachero-or-transformed-ranchero-last-try-700eur.133655/
https://omegaforums.net/threads/omega-2996-seachero-or-transformed-ranchero-last-try-700eur.133655/
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Emil
·Don't pay. Say, it is a fake. And you go to report the seller and the platform to the Police. That will do it. Good luck !
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jaguar11
·Always worth checking after the event!! Surely you had the same doubts before you bidded? Don't pay and good luck next time with your rearesrch.
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerThere is something that does not appear correct with that back!
How are you going to get it to close without snapin the stem.
There is no notch in that back & the stem is right there.
Careful & check that, don't forse it.
The back is fine - they are like that and will fit without issue.
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TexOmega
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STANDY
··schizophrenic pizza orderer and watch collectorThe obvious advice to you, should be learn more about Omega watches before you bid on anything else.
Asking advice after you have won a auction lot is 🤨
Asking advice after you have won a auction lot is 🤨
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tdn-dk
·Ref. 2996 is center second Ranchero.
Correct with a caliber 284
It has an aftermarket dial and hands
So not a fake, they go for 600-800€ with a correct transformed Ranchero Seamaster dial.
Correct with a caliber 284
It has an aftermarket dial and hands
So not a fake, they go for 600-800€ with a correct transformed Ranchero Seamaster dial.
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DorsetOmega
·I'd be polite but extremely firm.
Auctioneers and dealers have to cure themselves of using this word 'restored'. It should only mean a sincere effort to restore something to its original condition. You can have good restorations and bad restorations, but this is the equivalent of sending your Rembrandt off to get cleaned up and it has a big Snoopy painted in the middle of it. An auction house wouldn't call a painting restored if someone had painted a different picture on top of it, and they shouldn't do the same with watches. It's no good them saying it would still be the original dial underneath, it would still be the original canvas underneath the Snoopy Rembrandt, and so what if it is.
You could say that you have consulted an established body of expert opinion (not me, at all, but many of the others on this thread and in this forum). And if they get shirty, you can refer to the reputational damage that could be suffered by an auctioneer who so patently mis-describes what is being sold.
Oh, and buy from the private sales section here.
Good luck!
Auctioneers and dealers have to cure themselves of using this word 'restored'. It should only mean a sincere effort to restore something to its original condition. You can have good restorations and bad restorations, but this is the equivalent of sending your Rembrandt off to get cleaned up and it has a big Snoopy painted in the middle of it. An auction house wouldn't call a painting restored if someone had painted a different picture on top of it, and they shouldn't do the same with watches. It's no good them saying it would still be the original dial underneath, it would still be the original canvas underneath the Snoopy Rembrandt, and so what if it is.
You could say that you have consulted an established body of expert opinion (not me, at all, but many of the others on this thread and in this forum). And if they get shirty, you can refer to the reputational damage that could be suffered by an auctioneer who so patently mis-describes what is being sold.
Oh, and buy from the private sales section here.
Good luck!
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DorsetOmega
·* "... RETURN something to its original condition...' - or I'm defining the word 'restore' as 'restore, which isn't very smart.😀
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mac_omega
·I'd be polite but extremely firm.
Auctioneers and dealers have to cure themselves of using this word 'restored'. It should only mean a sincere effort to restore something to its original condition. You can have good restorations and bad restorations, but this is the equivalent of sending your Rembrandt off to get cleaned up and it has a big Snoopy painted in the middle of it. An auction house wouldn't call a painting restored if someone had painted a different picture on top of it, and they shouldn't do the same with watches. It's no good them saying it would still be the original dial underneath, it would still be the original canvas underneath the Snoopy Rembrandt, and so what if it is.
You could say that you have consulted an established body of expert opinion (not me, at all, but many of the others on this thread and in this forum). And if they get shirty, you can refer to the reputational damage that could be suffered by an auctioneer who so patently mis-describes what is being sold.
Oh, and buy from the private sales section here.
Good luck!
IMO you compare apples with oranges here. Restoration of a painting is a very different procedure than restoring a watch.
I think that "restored dial" is commonly understood as "repainted" - at least among watch collectors, even among noobs I guess.
And we all know that taste is very different among watch buyers. While collectors are willing to tolerate small imperfections/patina on an original dial and prefer such a dial to a redone one other people like "as new dials" and don´t mind if it is repainted and not perfectly matching the original design. Our community does not represent the majority of watch buyers, most of us are hard core collectors with very high standards, a very tiny group among "watch consumers"...
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mac_omega
·Ref. 2996 is center second Ranchero.
Correct with a caliber 284
It has an aftermarket dial and hands
So not a fake, they go for 600-800€ with a correct transformed Ranchero Seamaster dial.
You beat me to it... I fully concur
What we see here is not a fake and not a Franken. It has a correct case, a correct movement (unless proven wrong by an extract from Omega), but of course it has a (very) wrongly reprinted dial meaning to be a "Seachero". How often do we see wrongly reprinted dials on different watches without calling them a Franken or fake?
The auction house described it as restored and with wrong hands, so did disclose that it was not the original condition.
To put it bluntly: it is noob tax to be paid and the OP had the chance to ask the forum hive before he put in his bid.
We all made mistakes and have learned painfully to avoid such lemons while continuing collecting
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Dan S
·Sure, it would have been better if the auction house had said the dial was repainted or refinished, but the description is pretty much in line with what we often see.
Buyers need to take some amount of responsibility for their actions. I bought a watch yesterday and only noticed some dial damage after the fact. I acted impulsively and now I will probably flip it for a loss, describing it more carefully so the next buyer knows exactly what he is getting. My fault.
Buyers need to take some amount of responsibility for their actions. I bought a watch yesterday and only noticed some dial damage after the fact. I acted impulsively and now I will probably flip it for a loss, describing it more carefully so the next buyer knows exactly what he is getting. My fault.
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base615
·Yikes. OP, I think you're just going to have to suck this up. If you stay in the sport, put this down as a good learning experience. We've all had them.
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apsm100
··Noob taxpayerThe description fails to mention the fake dial and hands. I think that should be enough to cancel the bid.
But I have no experience with these auction houses...
But I have no experience with these auction houses...
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